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Maxxi said:
Just something about the vicki map, well I have noticed tha Africa and Europe are sightly more bigger than what they are really compared to America

The southern end of Africa is at the same lattitude that the middle of patagonia in vicky, and in the real world it is in the Uruguay lattitide....

That about 2000km... not a little... if somebody will do a map. please try to keep a realistic size, at least no to miss 1000 or 2000 km... :S
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My guess is that was done in order to have European provinces be large enough for the sprites to (for the most part) fit in. An understandable compromise that, while sure it does distort the map, defintely is helpful for gameplay.

The map Xie is basing our project on will have a bit of distortion, but will be a bit "more correct" in that regard.
 
yuppers. I think that the reason was that the map designers wanted to maximize the space for land, because there's more going on there, and land provinces tend to be smaller and more concentrated than their watery counterparts.

Because of this, they expanded the continent so as to bring more space. However, they didn't follow projections, and because of this, they accidentally added a huge amount of space in the Pacific, which is unneccessary and goes against their ultimate goal.

Another reason is because they were following the map format that was in the board game (I think). You see that Paradox follows this world map template for EU, EU2, HoI, Victoria, HoI2, and now finally EU3.

Unfortunately, they could have optimized space much more with a different map ratio that is closer to square. The one that they have right now stretches out everything and IMHO is not really necessary.
 
So, almost 1 week. Any news or updates?


Or too busy with EU3? :p Heheh
 
Hardstuff said:
So, almost 1 week. Any news or updates?


Or too busy with EU3? :p Heheh
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Work is progressing, but real life does on occasion intervene (esp for Xie, who is a full-time student)

next section should be done fairly soon, and will be South and Southeast Asia.
 
China Update

Just wanted to let you good folks know that China is alive and well in Clio.

I will start posting my map markups for China. While they are not yet converted to Clio format, I thought I you might like to see what has been done.

I have had three goals in redoing the map:

1. Consistent historical names.
2. More even population distribution.
3. Historical prefectural borders.

In the vanilla map, there are quite a few anachronisms - names not used until the 1950s or cities that were hamlets in the 19th century. I have tried to include as many of the foregone major metropolises as possible.

This is not merely tweaking the vanilla map, but actually redrawing all the provinces, prefecture by prefecture.

"Provinces" in Victoria correspond fairly well to prefectures in China. That said, Chinese "provinces" are not allocated at the same level of density as Germany, so each "province" has to be a merger of 2-3 prefectures. In making these painful decisions of which prefectures to include and which to merge, I have primarily gone by population, using the best figures I can get for 1836 (which is usually an extrapolation of the 1820 census). However, to some extent, geography and gameplay have also been factors.

I would appreciate feedback, and would be happy to answer any questions about the maps.

Without any further ado, ladies and gentlemen, I present the Qing Empire, 1836.
 
Anhui




Anhui was very high population density, so a minimal number of prefectures had to be merged for this province.

N.B. this is a markup of the main historical atlas out there. I erased the prefectural borders where they were merged, marked the capitals, and added the romanized name in red.
 
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Weijun,

could you also summarize the names of the provinces - the map you posted does not expand, and my eyes are having problems reading the names. (I'm 35, have pity :p :D )
 
East Turkestan


Here I have only allocated 2 "provinces" for territory ceded to Russia, Qaratal and Alma Ata. Both were originally part of Ili and Kashgar.

N.B. Taldyqorgan is a modern name.
 
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OHgamer said:
Weijun,

could you also summarize the names of the provinces - the map you posted does not expand, and my eyes are having problems reading the names. (I'm 35, have pity :p :D )
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Edit: the images are around 3 MB a pop, and ImageShack resizes them. Any advice on another host to use?
 
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Weijun said:
Seeing if I can't get the image to display properly - this is my first time with ImageShack. The images are getting reduced to a fraction of their original size - any advice?
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If you have "resize image" checked on the imageshack dialog page, uncheck it, that will let you post the image at the original size you have it.

then you can post the thumbnail here so that the image is not too big for the screen

The East Turkestan map was nice and clear - i think if you just have the red names bigger font on the Anhui map I'd be able to see the name. I can *almost* make them out on the Anhui map
 
Weijun said:
Edit: the images are around 3 MB a pop, and ImageShack resizes them. Any advice on another host to use?
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Imageshack is my default. Perhaps photoshop to lower quality so that they aren't as large a file (like low-quality jpeg ~2 or 3)
 
Okay, got it fixed - had to reduce the quality of the images first Since it's just a map, you should barely notice a difference. Anhui and East Turkestan above should be good to go.
 
Fengtian


Port Arthur included for gameplay purposes. Hopefully it will not be unclickably small, but the idea is to avoid having China cede major population centers.
 
Fujian


Taiwan is a single "province" here, as it was a single prefecture in the early 19th century. I believe the a divided Taiwan is a holdover from the EU period, where the Dutch and the Spanish competed over the island, but was not as issue in the 19th century.
 
Gansu


Several things worth noting on this map:

  • Stating the blindingly obvious, this map is rotated so it can fit across two pages.
  • N.B. Xining was part of Gansu then, not Qinghai.
  • I named the northwestern prefecture Gansu, because the merger picks up both Ganzhou and Suzhou, whence the 省 gets its name anyhow. (Likewise 武漢 is 武昌 and 漢口). If that compound is a horrid violation of the city-only convention, 肅州 is the largest of the three merged prefectures, but it is a homonym for 蘇州, which might be confusing.
  • Gongchang had some non-contiguous territory, but it picked it up when merging with Jiezhou and Qinzhou.
 
Guangdong


All your treaty port goodness. Now with Hong Kong and Macau. Admittedly, Macau is a little on the small side, but that was the actual size of the territory.

Gaozhou does not have a wonderful shape, but aside from being out of ProvIDs, Lianzhou (the western part of the "province") has too small a population to justify spending a tag on it while other larger prefectures are merged.
 
Guangxi


Geographically, these "provinces" are huge, but population-wise, none of the merged "provinces" even broke 3 million (for comparison, Nanchang in Jiangxi has 6.9 million).
 
Heilongjiang


Here, the idea was to get all of the territory in Heilongjiang that was ceded to Russia as a single "province." As far as I can tell, Blagoveshchensk (海蘭泡) was the largest city on the east side of the Amur river.
 
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