Announcing Clio : A new map for Victoria : Revolutions

[unmerged(92986)]

fine, make your own map and offer it to the community.

I offer a complete list of every point you raise, the maps were drawn based on the borders of the historic ceremonial counties, with a few modifications as necessitated by gameplay (hence the epxansion for ex of Sheffield province beyond the borders of Yorkshire into the northermost fringe of Nottinghamshire to prevent the ability of players to move directly from Manchester to Nottingham, which would not have been feasible given transport routes in the area) and the cities were chosen based on the various criteria as listed above

(and for the record, Xie is Canadian, not American, I'm the only "Yank" here)

Everyone knows you yanks love the Germans, And i bet there are double the amount of places in Germany than in the hole of the British isles including Ireland, You just add the least amount of places so that you can complete the job and move on and concentrate on your beloved germany..Why not increase the places in the UK...I bet you do it for germany..

 

[OHgamer]

Just face it, You don't have history, USA should just be blank or have Indian place names.

And I will remind you that trolling comments are not acceptable anywhere in this forum. Any further such actions could lead to administrator action regarding your further access to this forum. If you want to dispute points on the map, then fine, do so on the basis of the facts presented in the maps we have offered, but do it in a respectful manner, not one that is going to insult the large number of Americans who participate in this forum.

 

[OHgamer]

Everyone knows you yanks love the Germans, And i bet there are double the amount of places in Germany than in the hole of the British isles including Ireland, You just add the least amount of places so that you can complete the job and move on and concentrate on your beloved germany..Why not increase the places in the UK...I bet you do it for germany..

Germany gains +1 province in our map (Heligoland - and Britain will start with that province in the game, since it remained British until 1890)

Great Britain gains +4 (Isle of Man, Channel Islands, one additional province in Scotland, and one additional province in Yorkshire)

And it is +5 if you want to include the +1 added to better model the partition of Ulster in Ireland with the adding of Donegal.

And if we could add more to Britain, we would. There is however a technical limitation, as noted by Xie in post #2 of this thread, called province density on the pre-EU3 engine maps Paradox produces, that means there can only be a certain number of provinces in a given area of the map, and above that the game will CTD. Hence northern Europe has had hardly any new provinces added at all due to this limitation. And what few provinces we are adding based on the number of sea zones we are reducing, Britain is benefitting the most in terms of numerical increase.

 

[Hardstuff]

Just interjecting here, say the source code is released, and it is [easily] possible to remove or to extend this limitation, would you consider adding more provinces - even if this is at a later stage? (Though I suppose, of course, at a very late date any sort of addition wouldn't be entirely possible)

 

[OHgamer]

Just interjecting here, say the source code is released, and it is [easily] possible to remove or to extend this limitation, would you consider adding more provinces - even if this is at a later stage? (Though I suppose, of course, at a very late date any sort of addition wouldn't be entirely possible)

that is something that we won't know until such time as Paradox releases the source code.

Hopefully, we would be able to expand the size of the overall map, thus reducing density so that more detail than what we have already provided can be added to Europe (and the rest of the world - keep in mind that Europe as a whole benefits the least from new provinces, latin America, Africa and Asia are the big winners there and that was due to the piss-poor modelling of those regions in the base map for historical modelling purposes).

If it is possible, then that will be considered as part of an NDA-based retail version of Clio we might develop (since it would require tweaking the released source code, it would have to fall under whatever deal Paradox offers to allow tweaking of the sourcecode).

 

[unmerged(5110)]

Just interjecting here, say the source code is released, and it is [easily] possible to remove or to extend this limitation, would you consider adding more provinces - even if this is at a later stage? (Though I suppose, of course, at a very late date any sort of addition wouldn't be entirely possible)

From a technical point of view, unfortunately, it will be very difficult (or even impossible) to increase the density limit of the provinces because that density limit is defined by the very structure of the files -- i.e. short of changing the whole data structure (which is like changing the foundation of a house), there just will never be enough bits of data to store the information.

However, OHGamer's idea of expanding the size map so the overall number of provinces increases while the density of provinces remains the same - that sounds like it would be doable... You would have to consult the map-editors like Inferis and Jamie to really see how big of a change it would be to expand the dimensions of the map, though.

 

[Hardstuff]

Ok, thanks for clearing that up. I suppose if we want to wait until 2012 for an NDA version with the limit removed then yea... But while we're patient, we're not that patient

Increasing the actual map size would in turn create say larger actual provinces - eg. with more room to take up, say Luxembourg would be slightly larger, in proportion to all surrounding provinces, yes - or am I incorrect?

 

[OHgamer]

Ok, thanks for clearing that up. I suppose if we want to wait until 2012 for an NDA version with the limit removed then yea... But while we're patient, we're not that patient

Increasing the actual map size would in turn create say larger actual provinces - eg. with more room to take up, say Luxembourg would be slightly larger, in proportion to all surrounding provinces, yes - or am I incorrect?

All provinces would be larger than currently if we were to expand the overall map size, and not add any additonal provinces. expand the dimensions by 10%, all province would be 105 bigger in terms of pixel size.

Whether that can be done once Paradox goes ahead with source code release is another question, as Xie points out.

 

[Tempelridderen]

Have not worked on POPs yet.

Hi. I've been away for a while, but is there any chance that the number of free culture tags will increase? I mean, the 90 extras just doesn't cut it for detail freaks like me. I would love to have like 500 tags to play with. Especially Africa needs lots of new cultures.

 

[OHgamer]

Hi. I've been away for a while, but is there any chance that the number of free culture tags will increase? I mean, the 90 extras just doesn't cut it for detail freaks like me. I would love to have like 500 tags to play with. Especially Africa needs lots of new cultures.

would require tweaking the .exe, so unless Paradox releases the source code for outside development via their NDA, probably not.

 

[Sen. Vergueiro]

And now South America is almost complete. Xie needs to still add the names to the provinces in the Southern half of the continent, but here is how the province setup will look



EDIT : Updated S America with names added to provinces

And with that done, Xie will move to drawing in the sea zones, then stitching the eighteen panels into one smooth map, and then we'll open the discussion for final comments. Note though you can make suggestions and comments now, go to the first post of the thread and you'll see all the major regions of the world and how they are being divided, so if you have comments, please make them now.

You were pretty quick...! When I retruned home that same day, all provinces have been given names.
And since all image hosting sites were resizing my map - rendering unreadable - I had to break up mymap in 10 different parts:

 

[Sen. Vergueiro]

 

[OHgamer]

for those that you have shorter names in parentheses, like Forte Tabatinga (later Tabatinga) would it be acceptable to use just the shorter names (Tabatinga) as this would make it easier when searching for province in game using the province finder, since it requires exact matches to work?

 

[Sen. Vergueiro]

for those that you have shorter names in parentheses, like Forte Tabatinga (later Tabatinga) would it be acceptable to use just the shorter names (Tabatinga) as this would make it easier when searching for province in game using the province finder, since it requires exact matches to work?

Yes. IMO, the only exeption is Rio Grande de Sao Pedro, which cannot be reduced to Sao Pedro, only to Rio Grande

 

[Davisx3m]

Subscribes (Wanna know how tihs is going)

 

[OHgamer]

Here is the full world at 1/3 size, with the last parts of the map added in.

 

[Cinéad IV]

Has anyone considered including the Chincha Islands so that we can better simulate the Spanish-Peruvian War? Or would they be too small?

 

[Gaius Marius I]

I'm still hoping for the Dongola split (I know you can shift the border slightly westward to avoid that 4-corner bit), and I'll still be interested to see whether density limits on the real map when Xie can code it allows for Svalbard to be squeezed in NE of Iceland.

Other than that, it looks good.

EDIT: It might be worth your time to rename 'Echo Bay' to either Ft. Smith or Hay River, and merge 'Inuvik' into it. Hay River dates from the 1890s and is the largest settlement outside of Yellowknife today, Ft. Smith was the territorial capital from 1911 until the sixties. I scoured the area with Google Earth, but the area you chose to call Inuvik simply has next to no settlement even today, which makes it rather useless to waste a province on.

 

[OHgamer]

Chincha Islands not planned, due to too small size,

re Dongola, the still working on that.

 

[Mishgan]

Forgive me for not reading the entire thread, but there is something that I do not really understand. If the map is a modification for the Victorian timeline (1836-1935), then why does the map reflect a modern day border situation?