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Cybersbe said:
As for Merlin’s Umbral Humans, they ARE changed… but only in the sense that they have been corrupted, and start with Umbral Flesh.
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I'd say they're a little more than just corrupted. They may or may not have more intelligence than some of Nekron's undead, but they're described as basically just Merlin's tools either by choice or fact. They're not personally bent on destruction, it's just Merlin's goal, and they do what he wants. Those that aren't aligned by choice are more or less the equivalent of unintelligent zombies, or the shadow demon insects.
 
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aerothgow said:
They have changed quite a bit of the lore....
Don't you have that archon guardian that's an orc ? He's the big villain in a mission.

What really scares me isn't just her armor. If you read merlin lore he saved julia who was kidnapped. She has scars and a golden arm who might suggest she was tortured by the naughty insects.
Really hope that's not her. I kinda dislike this let's turn all the cool characters into broken and insane characters....They did the same with the Edward who become enraged and insane, merlin a squid, heck even the girl that I always forget her name that's the cover girl on this game L something is now a bug and I really liked her human model.

Really hope they keep at least Julia away from this broken stuff. She's the face of the francize for crying out loud...


edit : lythil is her name, for some reason i always forget it.
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Lithyl might always have been urraths agent. So it probably was just a matter of time. Also that was her first appearance outside the intro video. Its not really someone we could have gotten attached to.

Edward is not broken. He was made unreasonably angry by chaos endailon. We removed that from him.

Turiel isnt an archon. He is the first godir. And his orcs are described as the closest thing to archons an orc can be.
 
aerothgow said:
But why are we putting equal between elysian and archon ?
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I don't know where you're reading this. I would have assumed the Elysians are from the Architect culture, as another group related to the archons the same way the Elves or Dragons are, i.e. as another independent group semi-subordinate to them with varying levels of compliance.
 
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Blanch Warren said:
I don't know where you're reading this. I would have assumed the Elysians are from the Architect culture, as another group related to the archons the same way the Elves or Dragons are, i.e. as another independent group semi-subordinate to them with varying levels of compliance.
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Last dev blog said "Elysians are the revamped Highmen".
 
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aerothgow said:
My vote would have to be Julia and Mab
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Julia will definitely appear in the DLC. A place has already been reserved for her in the Rupsta model file.
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lucaluca said:
what's Rupsta?
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Rupsta the Boss. Character from Shadow Magic

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Rupsta is the boss of a Goblin crime syndicate known as the Tri-Umphs. Named for the three "Umph" sounds that came out of the goblin boss that used to run the syndicate (then known as the Bi-thuds!) made when Rupsta threw him off a cliff. He's very attractive, intelligent, a perfect specimen of health, and is the greatest warrior that ever lived-at least that's what his goblin followers tell him. As boss, besides running the great crime syndicate, it is Rupsta's sworn duty to smoke. In fact, he's quite expert at it, smoking any object that will take flame. He has spent so much time smoking, that he is surrounded in toxic fumes. He has hideous breath which can kill, and has set himself on fire so many times that he scarcely notices when his enemies do the same. Even so, the Tri-Umphs are tirelessly searching the land for the next novel thing that Rupsta can smoke, at least until they become the "Quad-Arrghs."
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Will be added to AoW4 in the Griffon update.

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STARSDragoon said:
Carefull. I saw one dev mention only human souls can become archons is what was known so far. With a hint we might learn more in the first New Story realm.
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The Archons seem to have messed things up royally on more than one occasion, and given some of their actions I get the feeling that they have just a touch of hubris going, so I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they've arbitrarily convinced themselves that only human-derived archons are pure/great/destined/whatever enough to suit their cause. (It doesn't help that humans in-setting tend to develop the same better-than-everyone attitude rather easily, so if that's the only stock they've been using...)
 
Akani Sar-Teel said:
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they've arbitrarily convinced themselves that only human-derived archons are pure/great/destined/whatever enough to suit their cause.
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They're perfectly willing to use high orcs for their cause, the devs apparently have just set the lore that they can't reproduce into high men / archons. If its allowed, they'd apparently have to reincarnate through human first.
 
It's probably a moot point. They deliberately didn't add an Archon transformation to the expansion and as someone else pointed out the Elysians ARE the Archon race from the old games. Meaning it's a form. This allows the lore that archons are former humans to stand without issue.

As for Archons makeing a mistake by using Humans, it should be noted that the conflict that kicked off the series.... IE AOW1,2 and Shadowmagic... Was started by the Elves. Not the Humans. Inioch and the circle of evermore was supposed to leave and cede Athla to the Humans so they could grow into Archons. Instead he refused. That refusal and the resulting conflicts, split the circle and led to the chain of events that let do where we are now. In other words Inioch broke the Archon cycle of creation, and that's kind of why everything is so messed up. I wouldn't pin it on the Humans. Since they weren't supposed to be put into conflict with the other races and wizards of the cycle.
From an Archon perspective..... it'd be like blaming a toddler for bad behavior when it was the teenage brother (elves) that goaded them into doing it.
 
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Soletestament said:
It's probably a moot point. They deliberately didn't add an Archon transformation to the expansion and as someone else pointed out the Elysians ARE the Archon race from the old games. Meaning it's a form. This allows the lore that archons are former humans to stand without issue.

As for Archons makeing a mistake by using Humans, it should be noted that the conflict that kicked off the series.... IE AOW1,2 and Shadowmagic... Was started by the Elves. Not the Humans. Inioch and the circle of evermore was supposed to leave and cede Athla to the Humans so they could grow into Archons. Instead he refused. That refusal and the resulting conflicts, split the circle and led to the chain of events that let do where we are now. In other words Inioch broke the Archon cycle of creation, and that's kind of why everything is so messed up. I wouldn't pin it on the Humans. Since they weren't supposed to be put into conflict with the other races and wizards of the cycle.
From an Archon perspective..... it'd be like blaming a toddler for bad behavior when it was the teenage brother (elves) that goaded them into doing it.
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Where do my ratkin come into this vivacious narrative? I'm gonna need to see some lore ready Redeemed Shrykt Skaven or Redwallian Knights of Gnaw!
 
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