Appointed Regent displaced on succession?

[WTH666444]

867, Kirghiz Khanate. I have a young son that I designate heir, and chose a concubine (which isn't his mother) as my regent. On succession, she is immediately displaced by my oldest son (I know she was regent for a moment because my young son, as whom I now play, has a regent hook on her). Why?

In this case, my son is just as capable and selfless, but he might as well have been selfish. So why was my regent just thrown out the window?

Played around with the console some and it seems my eldest son, independent of who is appointed regent, landed sibling or not, gets an event on the death of my ruler and gets the regency. There's no pop-up about the designated regent ever being in place, despite the hook.

Seems like a broken mechanic. Why bother telling me to appoint a selfless regent for my underage heir if my selection has no impact whatsoever?

 

[heliostellar]

867, Kirghiz Khanate. I have a young son that I designate heir, and chose a concubine (which isn't his mother) as my regent. On succession, she is immediately displaced by my oldest son (I know she was regent for a moment because my young son, as whom I now play, has a regent hook on her). Why?

In this case, my son is just as capable and selfless, but he might as well have been selfish. So why was my regent just thrown out the window?

Played around with the console some and it seems my eldest son, independent of who is appointed regent, landed sibling or not, gets an event on the death of my ruler and gets the regency. There's no pop-up about the designated regent ever being in place, despite the hook.

Seems like a broken mechanic. Why bother telling me to appoint a selfless regent for my underage heir if my selection has no impact whatsoever?

I don't believe what you are seeing is intended. According to the wiki, the regency should become Entrenched and therefore, harder to remove (Src: https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Power_sharing#Entrenched_Regency_and_Co-Monarchy). I would bug report this and see if they agree that it's a bug.

A potential workaround is to make your wife your co-ruler (if your government allows it). They cannot be displaced.

Edit: Scrap the above.... making your wife co-ruler will make her your heir instead.

 

[WTH666444]

I don't believe what you are seeing is intended. According to the wiki, the regency should become Entrenched and therefore, harder to remove (Src: https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Power_sharing#Entrenched_Regency_and_Co-Monarchy). I would bug report this and see if they agree that it's a bug.

A potential workaround is to make your wife your co-ruler (if your government allows it). They cannot be displaced.

Edit: Scrap the above.... making your wife co-ruler will make her your heir instead.

I came to believe that it is intended, based on me finding a number of threads from years ago describing the same exact thing happening.

Larger point I want to make, therefore, under the assumption that it is WAD, is why it is designed in this way. I think I just disagree with how it‘s working.

If I remember correctly, the French King in 1066 starts with a regent the game would never allow you to have. It boggles the mind that a start-date is conceptually able of considering such a thing, but gameplay forbids you from replicating it (again, with a dedicated event, to boot! Switched to my eldest son, killed my father and liege via console, with a different regent in place, and I got an event having me assume the regency).

 

[ShepherdOfCats]

Maybe it was a 'background' event that let him usurp the current regent. Maybe it just fired right away?

Does your son have high intrigue?

 

[heliostellar]

I came to believe that it is intended, based on me finding a number of threads from years ago describing the same exact thing happening.

Larger point I want to make, therefore, under the assumption that it is WAD, is why it is designed in this way. I think I just disagree with how it‘s working.

If I remember correctly, the French King in 1066 starts with a regent the game would never allow you to have. It boggles the mind that a start-date is conceptually able of considering such a thing, but gameplay forbids you from replicating it (again, with a dedicated event, to boot! Switched to my eldest son, killed my father and liege via console, with a different regent in place, and I got an event having me assume the regency).

Thanks for looking into it more. I would agree that it should be at least harder to change the regent.

However, the scenario you describe where a mother is displaced by a male relative sounds awfully realistic and historically accurate TBH..

 

[vandevere]

Thanks for looking into it more. I would agree that it should be at least harder to change the regent.

However, the scenario you describe where a mother is displaced by a male relative sounds awfully realistic and historically accurate TBH..

At the very least, if it is indeed WAD, there should be at least a little drama associated with the Event. There should be arguments and counter-arguments, with chances of success and failure for all involved participants.

Not an immediate and unexplained switch with no reason for the switch given...

 

[WTH666444]

Thanks for looking into it more. I would agree that it should be at least harder to change the regent.

However, the scenario you describe where a mother is displaced by a male relative sounds awfully realistic and historically accurate TBH..

It does in this case, but I experimented a bit before just switching to my son to see how he gets to become regent.

Independent of who you appoint regent, it could be another landed, male sibling; or even your son‘s liege, he gets to take over. It‘s not tied to any variable or independent political power base.

 

[WTH666444]

Maybe it was a 'background' event that let him usurp the current regent. Maybe it just fired right away?

Does your son have high intrigue?

No, he doesn‘t. Martial education and, due to you starting with him already in middle-age, very mediocre.

I can send a screenshot of the event he gets when I‘m back home, but from what I remember it fires right away and just says "With your father dead, you now take on the responsibility of ruling until your brother comes of age“. Gave an option to immediately swing the scales of power by 5, but aside from that, a very minor event, it seemed.