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My suggestions for concrete change to Mrauk-u/Arakan:

Change name to Mrauk-u.
Change state religion to Buddhist.
Possibly reverse the Buddhist > Sunni change that Mrauk-u's province(s) take in later historical set-ups.
Change state culture to Burmese.
Keep Bengali national ideas, as these fit the tolerant, trade-focused nature of the kingdom of Mrauk-u, and they serve to represent the Bengali influence on Mrauk-u.

Source and Justification:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Mrauk_U

As you can see from the title of the article, "Mrauk-u" seems to be the now-standard way to refer to the state, and naming it after the capital city follows the naming pattern for the other independent Burmese state, Taungu.

The body of the article has actually changed drastically in the last few months. The old article (accessible by looking through revision history) emphasized the heavy Islamic influences, including vassalship to the Sultan of Bengal as of 1444, but the current article shows none of this, indicating a purely Buddhist and Burmese state that was never subject to foreigners until the conquest by Taungu.

But even the old version stated that Mrauk-u, despite cultural influence from the Islamic world and very high tolerance for Muslims, remained Buddhist. From the old article, it could perhaps be argued that Bengali state culture could fit, but it was still implied that most of the court were local Rakhine Burmese. And to take a similar example, the Mughals aren't Persian culture despite their heavy Persian cultural influence and use of the Persian language.

However, I don't think it'd be right to just make Arakan another boring Burman-region minor with no national ideas, and leaving them with Bengali ideas would be a good way to represent cultural influence from their Islamic neighbor, without making them ahistorically Sunni or Bengali.
 
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There is no Arakanese culture in-game, and I don't think we really need to add one. Burmese is fine for both provinces and the state.
 
Thanks for the suggestion.
Arakans state religion will be changed to Buddhist and the province conversion will be removed as per the suggestion. :)

As for vassalage: It's my understanding that politically the closest ties Arakan had was with the Ganesa dynasty which is gone by 1444 (if still in fresh memory) and that it mostly extended to paying tribute. For much of this period Arakan is considered a rouge pirate haven by the Bengal Sultans (and the Mughals after them) and judging by that it seems they felt their control over the area was limited.
 
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Thanks for the suggestion.
Arakans state religion will be changed to Buddhist and the province conversion will be removed as per the suggestion. :)

As for vassalage: It's my understanding that politically the closest ties Arakan had was with the Ganesa dynasty which is gone by 1444 (if still in fresh memory) and that it mostly extended to paying tribute. For much of this period Arakan is considered a rouge pirate haven by the Bengal Sultans (and the Mughals after them) and judging by that it seems they felt their control over the area was limited.

Sounds about right. Thanks for listening to the suggestion :D

edit: Since suggestions are actually being responded to, I've posted one of my own.
 
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Awesome, thanks Trin Tragula.

Might I inquire what your sources are? I'd love to read more about the region, but I have no idea where to start.
 
...that it mostly extended to paying tribute...
Speaking about paying tribute, most relation between nation in Southeast Asia is simply paying tribute without any vassalage (there are vassalage but the primary one is tributary), so can we expect somekind of mechanic developed to represent this in the future?
 
Speaking about paying tribute, most relation between nation in Southeast Asia is simply paying tribute without any vassalage (there are vassalage but the primary one is tributary), so can we expect somekind of mechanic developed to represent this in the future?

That would be interesting. It could be implemented as a diplomatic action similar to asking nations to transfer trade power. In exchange for the tribute no CB's against the tributary are valid for the "overlord". This mechanic could easily extend to the entire Chinese tech group.
 
Might I inquire what your sources are? I'd love to read more about the region, but I have no idea where to start.

No particular source on the things stated in my post but the relationship between the Mughals, Bengalis and Arakanese is touched upon atleast briefly in many books on Indian history (which is a subject I'll admit I'm more acquainted with than Burmese history). If you search google:books for Arakan and Pirates you'll get hits relating to the region and the Mughals and Bengalis which might be a place to start if that's what you want to learn more about. :).

In general if you want somewhere to start in regards to India and it's close surroundings I can't recommend the Schwartzberg atlas enough: http://dsal.uchicago.edu/reference/schwartzberg/toc.html?issue=
It's very detailed, very well researched (just the bibliography is longer than many historical atlases on the subject) and even if it's not entirely up to date anymore it's still a great place to start. That atlas is a great companion to just about any book on Indian history you can find.