Well will assasination attempts be a part of your diplomatic options, including to assasinate your own relatives, who might be a little to ambititous?
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If included I hope it will be extremly difficult to get away with it. I do really hope we don't get a MTW-situation where you risk every general you have assasinated each turn... 
I'd rather see it not implemented than badly implemented.
I'd rather see it not implemented than badly implemented.
Maybe if its made to cost a lot of money (ie hiring services and other stuff), then it won't be that broken.
It could also be limited to those in line for the throne, on the throne or high ranking officals (including powerful generals, but generally it should be hard, expensive and not too easy to get away with so it won't be any every turn problem.
It could also be limited to those in line for the throne, on the throne or high ranking officals (including powerful generals, but generally it should be hard, expensive and not too easy to get away with so it won't be any every turn problem.
Originally posted by Havard
If included I hope it will be extremly difficult to get away with it. I do really hope we don't get a MTW-situation where you risk every general you have assasinated each turn...
I'd rather see it not implemented than badly implemented.
I agree fully. The MTW situation is absolutely abyssimal.
How many major historical figures from the CK period, even in that backstabbing cesspit early renaissance italy or in the hashishin-covered Levant, can we actually confirm as to have been assasinated?
Pretty few, I tell you. Getting through a determined bodyguard isn't exactly easy if you value your own life, or even if you don't.
EF
Pretty few, I tell you. Getting through a determined bodyguard isn't exactly easy if you value your own life, or even if you don't.
EF
At least Pedro I of Castilla who was assasinated by his bastard brother in his bastard brother tent in his bastard brother camp while he was trying to assainate his bastard brother , don't have to say his bastard brother was crowned King after him, well they were in Civil war so was not that difficult
, don't have to say his bastard brother was crowned King after him, well they were in Civil war so was not that difficult 
Perhap, you could loose a lot of piety if you tried? even if you succeded you should only have a slim chance of getting away scot free... just an idea.
Originally posted by Drakken
Edward II, yet again.
Drakken
Nah, execution - not assassination, yet again.
If we're lucky this topic won't be brought up again until the game is released - otherwise I will just have to put that in my sig.
And I agree with Havard (hey it was bound to happen sometime) - better not implemented that done poorly. Would rather not have to have a "house rule" to prevent this kind of thing from getting out of hand.
I think that - if the feature is included - there should be variation in the ease with which unwanted members of the nobility are disposed of. I think it would be easier to get rid of a lowly, landless bastard son of an impovered lord that it would be if you tried the same on the King of Enlgand.
Originally posted by Sonny
Nah, execution - not assassination, yet again.
If we're lucky this topic won't be brought up again until the game is released - otherwise I will just have to put that in my sig.
Edward II has not been executed, compared to High le Despenser, Kent, or even Roger Mortimer. Edward was assassinated by a heated poker up his ass, without any sentence of death by any regular tribunal...
I stand by my point.
Drakken
I agree with Drakken. The secrecy used and the methods [I read he was killed as he was to avoid physical markings on his body to suggest murder] fully suggest an assassination.
I wonder if you can assassinate pesky clergy... Thomas Beckett situations...
I wonder if you can assassinate pesky clergy... Thomas Beckett situations...
Still exceptional circumstances. Becket's murder was by all accounts not planned out by the king -and boy did he suffer for it-but was the action of some rather impetous barons, hardly an assasination.
Edward II's murder - of which his contemporaries did not shed too much tears - was certainly premeditated,and there was no doubt in the minds of the people of his time who was responsible . His death occured in Berkeley castle at a time in which he was under guard and in probability suffered quite a rough treatment, as the people of Berkeley were reported by Gray to hear "The shrieks of an agonized King" before the announcement of his death. There was even a trial of the man Gurney, known as "the regicide" after his death, and Lord Berkeley was aquitted of murder charges after "12 knights deposed upon their oath" that he was sick at the time of the murder(utter rubbish).
Not an assasination, but the murder of a prisoner under guard.
EF
Edward II's murder - of which his contemporaries did not shed too much tears - was certainly premeditated,and there was no doubt in the minds of the people of his time who was responsible . His death occured in Berkeley castle at a time in which he was under guard and in probability suffered quite a rough treatment, as the people of Berkeley were reported by Gray to hear "The shrieks of an agonized King" before the announcement of his death. There was even a trial of the man Gurney, known as "the regicide" after his death, and Lord Berkeley was aquitted of murder charges after "12 knights deposed upon their oath" that he was sick at the time of the murder(utter rubbish).
Not an assasination, but the murder of a prisoner under guard.
EF
although the assasinations look good, i think they would become too easy and widespread, exploited by players and then the forums will be full of posts "assasination too easy". same thing as we hear about "paratroopers" in HOI.
lets make the assasinations a random event and thats it. how about that?
lets make the assasinations a random event and thats it. how about that?
In EU2 it is a random event which just gives -2 stability. It is a most unsatisfying event since it is non-specific (well the only character to assinate would be the monarch) but it could be very important in CK since it might just be your favorite offspring who gets killed as the random event.
Originally posted by Sonny
In EU2 it is a random event which just gives -2 stability. It is a most unsatisfying event since it is non-specific (well the only character to assinate would be the monarch) but it could be very important in CK since it might just be your favorite offspring who gets killed as the random event.
Or your Heirless Brother, giving you his throne
Originally posted by Havard
If included I hope it will be extremly difficult to get away with it. I do really hope we don't get a MTW-situation where you risk every general you have assasinated each turn...
I'd rather see it not implemented than badly implemented.
I couldnt agree more. Maybe that fit in Shogun TW (ninjas), but there really wasnt a comparable phenomenon in the Medieval West, and it was a mistake to include the same type of unit in MTW.
Almost every little example you can find in the 400 years covered by CK can be called a "murder", not an "assassination" by a "ninja" type unit (to use STW lingo). There simply wasnt a professional kill-for-hire class so accessible that any ruler could fling one against any target he chose, and this includes the "assassins" in the Levant. So to make assassination an option in certain cases is one thing, but to institutionalize it by including an "assassin" unit like in MTW is ahistorical and in this context ridiculous.
Even given the former, it was very uncommon in the early and high periods, when most cases were rumors or unsubstantiated gossip, like the numerous princes who were just about to do something big before they were "poisoned" (Henry VI, Henry the Proud, etc.). For every prince that died mysteriously, suddenly, too young, etc, there was an accompanying "poison" story. Only in the later Middle Ages, at the very end of this game, were any of them probably true.