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meiji-tenno and i are proud to announce japanese feudal sets for a more realistic "shogun" feel, since japan was not united in the 1500's -

the sets are on this page and are based on the real daimyo standards for the families named

i've included the major players, since we can't model 16th century japan a la shogun - total war, but i thought japan could use some flavor; i'll post what provinces these clans correspond to more or less in a few

a note about authenticity: the real standards were black on white, but i've arbitrarily colored them; not so much to differentiate the shield sets, but to help differentiate the flags - speaking of which, i'm putting a flag request in the graphics forum as i can't do them myself...

so if anyone wants to use these for their mods, please feel free; i'll be posting and asking meiji-tenno to post some historical info to help out :)

steph
 
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These came out very very good, Iostephanos! :)

Iostephanos, would you like me to post some history summaries (for the history summary of each of the nations in EUII) of the different clans, for if someone wants to make Japan into many states in an EUII scenario? :confused:


Meiji-Tenno
 
Nice sets steph! :)

Even more funnier is that I just recently bought a bunch of games and among them Shogun Total War. I havent tested it yet, but I reckon I will do it tomorrow... I did how ever recognise the shields from the Shogun manual :D
 
This would fit in nicely as a country package for the AGC country config tool... :) Dividing Japan into various clans.
 
the outline...

hey yoghurt, glad you liked them :)

...of course, they are the same as those used in shogun-total war because they're the real standards :p i have, however, used a different palette as to avoid any unnecessary concerns over copywrite (tm)

meiji-tenno, i was hoping you could post short descriptions of each of the clans, and maybe provide links to each family's "rulers"; also, please make sure this province allotment is correct:

kyushu - clan shimazu
kansai - clan mori
kanto - clan takeda
tohoku - clan uesugi
shikoku - clan chosokabe

which would leave an excess of three daimyo that could be scripted as revolters or otherwise... (are you sure no one held the "province" of ezochi?)

so here's the outline: to try and represent sengoku jidai, i thought nippon (or nihon) would start as a single nation and then break up into the various clans around 15--; i think the event can be handled in this way:

event x:

the breakup of japan...

option a: become clan so and so
(move capital to y province)
(have the "desertions" command wipe out the army)
(change country tag)
(the other provinces secede/are granted indepedence)
(recieve casus belli on all other provinces)
(everyone recieves the same sized army)

the way the event engine works though, will only allow for 4 options (meaning a choice to turn into only four clans), but i think you get the idea :)

so what do you think?

captain krunch, you are always more than welcome to use these as outlined above, or in any other way you think best, as is the eep and everyone else ;)
 
Re: the outline...

Originally posted by Iostephanos
meiji-tenno, i was hoping you could post short descriptions of each of the clans, and maybe provide links to each family's "rulers";
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Yes, I will do that later. :)

also, please make sure this province allotment is correct:

kyushu - clan shimazu
kansai - clan mori
kanto - clan takeda
tohoku - clan uesugi
shikoku - clan chosokabe
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Correct! :D Too bad there aren't more provinces to fit in all of the clans.. :( The Hojo would be good for Kanto, but so would Takeda. And playing the Takeda will surely be popular :D The Hojo and Imagawa would be revolters for Kanto. And the Oda could go there too.. Or Kansai for Oda.

which would leave an excess of three daimyo that could be scripted as revolters or otherwise... (are you sure no one held the "province" of ezochi?)
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Let's do the Kakizaki! Unfortunately, I cannot find their mon (family badge. The pictures we have for the other clans's shields/flags are called mon)... :( Maybe you can find one :)

so here's the outline: to try and represent sengoku jidai, i thought nippon (or nihon) would start as a single nation and then break up into the various clans around 15--; i think the event can be handled in this way:

event x:

the breakup of japan...

option a: become clan so and so
(move capital to y province)
(have the "desertions" command wipe out the army)
(change country tag)
(the other provinces secede/are granted indepedence)
(recieve casus belli on all other provinces)
(everyone recieves the same sized army)

the way the event engine works though, will only allow for 4 options (meaning a choice to turn into only four clans), but i think you get the idea :)

so what do you think?
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Maybe we could make three clan selections and the fourth could be "None of the above". Would that work? :confused: We could have:

Option A: Uesugi
Option B: Takeda
Option C: Shimazu
Option D: None of these (Triggers next event)

Option A: Hojo
Option B: Imagawa
Option C: Chosokabe
D: None of these (Triggers next event)

Option A: Oda
Option B: Kakizaki
Option C: Mouri
Option D: [We could leave this blank, or even make another clan. Maybe Tokugawa..?]


I hope this helped :)


Meiji-Tenno
 
Uesugi

The Uesugi Clan were a powerful family of eastern Japan. There were two major branches of the Uesugi family: The Ogigayatsu Uesugi, and the Yamaouchi Uesugi. The Ogigayatsu were a clan that dwelled in the Kanto Plain, fighting the powerful Hojo clan. They were a powerful clan, but their loss at Kawagoe in 1545 led to their eventual defeat. The Yamaouchi Uesugi, related to the Ogigayatsu, soon rose to power. Uesugi Norimasa fought alongside the Ogigayatsu at Kawagoe in 1545. In 1551, he lost the Battle of Hirai, and fled to Echigo, seeking shelter from his vassal, Nagao Kagetora. Kagetora agreed, but only if he was adopted into the Uesugi, knowing that it would make him an heir to the head of the Uesugi. Norimasa was forced to comply. Uesugi Kagetora, as he was now called, began a famous series of battles at the Kawanakajima plain, against the rival Takeda clan, in Shinano province. Their great lord, Takeda Shingen, had been pushing north out of Kai, into Shinano. Kagetora realized the threat, and joined in the fight against the Takeda. In 1553, Uesugi Kagetora visited Kyoto, and the Shogun, Ashikaga Yoshiteru. The Shogun granted Kagetora to have "teru", from his own name, in his name, a great honour, and he became Uesugi Terutora, "The Shining Tiger". He later became a monk, and took the name "Kenshin", becoming the famed Uesugi Kenshin. Kenshin fought many famous battles, and even defeated Oda Nobunaga at Tedori-kawa. At about the time of his death, in 1578, Uesugi Kenshin was planning a large campaign against one of his enemies, thought to have been maybe the Oda or Hojo.



Big history :eek: :D How is this :confused:


Meiji-Tenno
 
thank you meiji-tenno, that's the perfect sized history blurb to hopefully get some people interested

i think you're idea of how to "turn into" one of the clans is much better :)

steph
 
Great a Shougun scenario:D :D ;)
This sure looks interesting:cool:
 
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