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New thread for this game to avoid confusion:
Axis
Germany Gunny
Italy Mike
Japan Mighty

Allies
Russia Major Ball
USA Joel
UK JH


Next session Thursday 9pm 18th May as JH cannot make it earlier.

Post in future to this thread.
 
Ok, well seeing as this is the thread for the game i will post here.

AS i said in the other forum i have to work tonight till 9, but it should be quiet at work so i will get my PC dropped down to the shop so i can play.

My only fall back will be that there is only a 512DSL connection here so i might lag alittle. Couple that with the Offensive i just started in Lower China could spell disaster for me.

So then my problem is also the fact of getting home. at 9pm we would have to save the game and wait 15min-30min for me to get home plug back.....etc...

UNLESS...

Its upto you guys what do you want to do?... i guess some one could always coop with me. That way when i leave at 9, you can continue playing till i get home....

Ia lso notive JH had some time issues tonight... Whats the best plan of attack team? I have 2 hours or so to organize my PC getting here so let me know what use want to do... And Nolan or BB, if we do play tonight maybe 1 of you could sub with me in case i get some victims ;) coming into the shop.
 
Well mighty were starting at 9pm anyway. I guess if your 10 minutes away from then its not a big deal we will wait in vnet.
 
husty said:
ok, note this is a busy time for me, so expect 50pc attendance for first hour.

But thats should okay for 'phoney war' period.
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I doubt that. Gunny never waits till 1940. Good luck.
 
battle of france

easliy the most enjoyable battle of france ive played. Putting aside that I dont fully control France.

I guess Gunny had three options:

1. Coast and Low Countries.
2. Centre - Compiagne.
3. Maginot.

I picked no 2 as most likely, and placed 9 stacks + full brigades in the two relevant prov. I also had a 5 panzer stack midway between the coast and central route.

Well he came down route 2. We had some excellent battles, and i equaly strat moved the forts to Paris and withdrew from the coast.

I eventualy had a full back to Paris with the full panzers and all the stacks in tact. In Paris I had a 3 fort - I think.

The BEF was in Calias to cover the coast route and wasnt really involved due to the main axis of attack.

Paris fell after the full weight and i retreated, then counter attacked with 28 div to 12 Germ - and lost, plus full UK tac and CAS. Just shows you the power of German techs/ morale.

I then evac all the UK unhindered and about 25 Fr Div to UK, incl most of the fr panzers.

Then the game designers said that was unfair and took them off me - what wank! Thats a real weakness in the game - designed I suppose to stop wankers evac Fr in 1938! Which sadly poltroons - unlike us - would do.

Good fun - Gunny is a good player who works on concentration of effort on a single point. Like the Germans " Schwarzpont" did in reality.

Uk amry is in tact and now deployed. Assume Italy was in the war now - I would be stuffed no doubt. This new rule is CORRECT.
 
addenda

At Vichy the French Army, Navy, and Air was 99% in tact. Maybe 100% - i dont recall losing a unit.

Seems strange - I reckon France would be good to play as own country. I was looking forward to it untill BB bailed as Japs in last game.

Out
 
Jh
As UK at the same stage of the game...I had 50 fighters and interceptors all 1940 models. No Navals, Cas. About 50 infantry divisions, 9 1939 armour, 40 garrisons 12 mountains. Compare that with your own stats and you will notice the UK is stil la fairly strinf country to play. I built no additional CV, I did build CVL's and lots of DD. Transports , radars, etc etc...I didnt build many forts other than gilbralter and malta.

When my manpower gets low I will disband infantry and garrisions and replace with motorised and armour(no good having 400 manpower in 1939 when you need defenses). Build cheap units early to man the beaches and just disband them later when more better units become available.
 
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Glad to hear your having a good game JH and the rules working. Would have been good to see france last a bit longer but 4 weeks isnt bad. You cant realy stop germany or delay them more unless you put the entire UK army there with good tanks. Anyway good game play.

I'll just post some information ive learnt from our other DD game, where im Germany. Could be crucial to both JH and Gunny once spring and summer comes around and the Battle of Britain begins.

With airpower we used to have big porblems with getting bombers to bomb the province you want. Such as a beach where you want to do an invasion.

Example. I wanted to invade south east england, but the bombers kept bombing london for weeks, did not bomb any other provinces. So the bombers would not target the beaches to soften them up.

However once i actauly started the invasion into Norwich the bombers switched there attacks from london to Norwhich and smashed majors defences rapidly. The attacked on the next mission they did after the battle started. Even HQs and Armour divisions rapidly lost org and lost to my moutain troops invading. Such is the advantage of getting strong air support, i won 5-6 battles in arrow with my invading forces against 3 lots of armour and 2 groups of infantry.

My only mistakes were not to have some Stukas on ground attack to destroy the retreating UK armour and infantry. Also we lost one para in another attempt to invade cardif. Had we tried norwhich first, after i won the first land battle at norwhich the para could have jumped in and secured the port straight away and the 8 panzers i had loaded would have been ashore in a matter of few hours, with 40 more panzers and motorised rdy to load and storm ashore. Due to the light defences in the UK my 8 armour would have been enough to probably take alot of southern england with the Air support i had, not to mention all the forces i would have brought in.

Even after these mistakes, my moutain troops were only beaten to tacking the procinve by 2 hours, when fresh reinforcements arrived. My troops had to low org then after winning numerous battles. So major was saved by 2 hours.

Major also learnt the Allied troops dont move on support defence automaticly. You must use UK forces to protect your beaches.

Now for this game i never really planned to invade the UK. I only did a rush job once it became clear the UK had put lots of forces in the med. Seeing this i planned to hit the UK to try and take preasure of Italy and invade if i could. In hindsight, with a little more planning and luck the UK would be toast right now. Germany could easily build up some CV's with less subs built, i built over 120+ subs. Germany could still build 60+ subs and a fleet of 6 CV's by 1940 to invade the UK, all lvl III. So with not spending anymore resouces then what i already did on the navy, just some different units the UK can be put under sevre preasure and its survial in jeapordy.

Things major could have done to increase his defences were to build, more AA, costal forts, keep alot more of his airpower in the UK and armoured forces. Had his armour not been in africa and in the UK any invasion would be very hard. Major gambled and put alot in the med, it nearly cost him the home islands but worked out ok for him in the end, alot due to munster poor planning. I think major did this as he knew it was very hard to get bombers to bomb beaches from previous games he was germany, but now that we all know how too do it, its alot easier to get ashore, not even armour can defend against invasion if you have airpower.

The crucial part of the operation is airpower. Major left his airdefences weak in the UK. I think he stated he had 16 fighters/interceptors in the UK. I had over 70 fighter/interceptors massed against him, all 1940 tech. In the air the UK was smashed around the UK and over the homeland. I saw 4 fighters and 1 bomber totaly destroyed in the air battles and major said he lost 4 more to rebase to the UK, that got intercepted. Alot more of his planes were heavily dmaged and of little use for awhile, most of mine were barely dented due to my large numbers. Add to this, 20+ stukas and around 20 Tactical bombers and thats a huge force.

This is another point to consider, if you have alot of airpower deployed overseas the German player can blanket the Channel with fighters, intercept you while your rebasing and destroy you airforces. This happens as your rebasing over long distances, and have no retreat path, just like it happens to fleets when you do big rebases. I think it is realistic as no nation could instantly redploy hundreds of planes over large distances so quickly. So be very careful when doing this. Know that we know these things a smart german player will cut the UK off from recieving air reinforcments if you leave it lightly defended, massing your forces in africa instead or elsewhere.

So all this considered it is now crucial for the UK to maintain very strong defences at home. More costal forts, AA and lots of aripower are a must. Deploy lots over seas at your own peril. As Germany in the future knowing the lesson i learnt you can keep huge preasure on the UK and seriously invade them if they do not prepare correclty.

In this game i noticed JH has spent alot on his home denfeces with lots of costal forts. Normaly people consider this a waste, but know i consider this inurance. You can lose Africa and retake it later, you cant lose the home islands and recover later. I look forward to the next game im Germany.
 
Well mike is correct in some regards..The Uk defenses were not a strong as usual as I did not anticipate the Italian fleet in the Atlantic pre war. Had they been German carriers I can assure you my defenses would have been much stronger. I had sufficent forces in the UK regardless of wether Germanies planes attacked the wrong province. I lost 7 Dutch divisions from Norwich on Netherlands capitulation only days before the attack. On top of this my divisions set to reserve did not respond as Canadians were on the beaches. Had they responded 12 divisions would have been in Norwich a day after the invasion and the mountain troops org would have been smashed in days. As it turned out my troops started arriving 2 and 3 days after the attack started in bits and peices. Hence the mountain troops never had a massed stack to attack. For the invasion of the UK you need marines with engineers to quickly take a beach. Esepcially if you dont have paratroopers. Germany can make any excuse it likes but their invasion was poorly planned. they suicided their paratrooper on a useless province. Typical German incompetence and great British military planning saved the day. Not one German soldier got close to landing ashore!!
 
major ball said:
Well mike is correct in some regards..The Uk defenses were not a strong as usual as I did not anticipate the Italian fleet in the Atlantic pre war. Had they been German carriers I can assure you my defenses would have been much stronger. I had sufficent forces in the UK regardless of wether Germanies planes attacked the wrong province. I lost 7 Dutch divisions from Norwich on Netherlands capitulation only days before the attack. On top of this my divisions set to reserve did not respond as Canadians were on the beaches. Had they responded 12 divisions would have been in Norwich a day after the invasion and the mountain troops org would have been smashed in days. As it turned out my troops started arriving 2 and 3 days after the attack started in bits and peices. Hence the mountain troops never had a massed stack to attack. For the invasion of the UK you need marines with engineers to quickly take a beach. Esepcially if you dont have paratroopers. Germany can make any excuse it likes but their invasion was poorly planned. they suicided their paratrooper on a useless province. Typical German incompetence and great British military planning saved the day. Not one German soldier got close to landing ashore!!
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My post was on the facts to let everyone know of the the information we found out in these battles. It was Italies para not mine.

The UK was nearly destroyed by UK incompetance of using Canadian troops to protect its homeland. You should be using UK forces to defend the home islands and CW forces in Africa, to avoid that problem.

Even on support defence your troops still arrive at different times and only takes a few hours to low infantry org down to 0. You need good numbers of tanks like a stack of 6 to really make sure your can protect your beaches.

Your probably correct though with the marines with engineers, would be very useful for invading UK and then for operations against UK forces in the med and the Russia. Might worth the investment, i look at this in SP.

You wont know if Germany builds CV's all you can see on the intelligence screen is capital ships. You can only see the researc im doing and i often do CV tech anyway as there is little else to reasearh as i may build beter models from 1940 onwards. So its just a guessing game. Uk should always build a few new CV's to not do it risk losing command of the seas.

It was a very enjoyable battle, probably one of the best ive seen. Mainly as it was life and death for the UK and you so nearly died.
 
mike8472 said:
The UK was nearly destroyed by UK incompetance of using Canadian troops to protect its homeland. You should be using UK forces to defend the home islands and CW forces in Africa, to avoid that problem
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Says he who tried and failed :)....1 garrision is all you need to trigger reserves.
 
Well thanks for the run down , mike and major .but you should leave all the fighting off the furum posts :rofl: and be more adults like BB and me :D .
Well with all the biuld up to this game and rules and teams being = should work out to be the best game yet .
German News Letter .
After the invadesion of germany by the polish army and there allys the uk and france , polish troops only advance 1 or 2 km before be pushed back into their heart land .with quick thinking by Germanys leaders it was time to take poland out of the world forever.After 7 days and nights of bloodly fighting the german flag was but up in warsaw and end to the fighting .
Within days of poland attacking , france and uk fighters were attacking into the rieland , german fighters ordereds were to defence only and not to cross the bored ,hope there might be peace if not to many france man were killed.
But talk were short after france fighters shoot down i peace mission tranport planes killing all the german staff aboard it. Words got back that 1 man had serve but was shoot on capture. so much for peace .
Plans were quickly drawn up by Heinz Guderian , lighting war <Blitzbrieg> and Hermann Goring saying it could easy be done from what intel, we had about uk and france defences
Parts 1 move around the france forts into Belgium
Part 2 All German Airpower into belgium for the first 5 days with half the ally flying in germany it was easy to cut them down .plans to bomb airfields but were put on hold and turned to bombing running away troops .
Part 3 Blitzbrieg pushing hard into france with all the panzer we had, lead by Gereral Von Manstein and Rommel . <troops reported light fighting cutting in france line like butter on a hot summer day .>Only 1 big tanks battle that happen out side of paris when some younger panzer leader attack to soon before SS panzer , and SS troops turned up .were beaten back.5 days after paris fell. For the 2 Lt Gereral shot in the back of there head for disobeying .
Part 4 Mop up ,we dont ever see any uk troops taking the field , and the france turned and ran away
Part 5 Sea Camplan Karl Donitz has send out some small nu. of subs but as in the land battle in france the uk fleets has not been seen yet
A Dark Cloud follows over poland ,Netherlands , france,belgium .
German IC is 389 now the german people are very busy now getting ready for the battle of britan.
German has call for ally ,but not 1 leader has come to our call .
With Germany staying out of the way in finland we hope that it will be nice doing more business with the russian people .
And USA stay out of eurpore , it is not your war .
And on the line we have no callling for land out side of eurpore < Japan easy picking Netherland island we will not stand in your way .>
Hope post is ok , boys as my spelling it not .
 
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