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Allied forces invaded the island of Sicily today and captured the island within days. The 14 divisions there surrendered with hardly a fight. I am sure it will ahev an effect on Axis morale as teh beach head was defended by 7 divisions and armour and were easily crushed. Massive German reinforcements have entered Italy to help its defense and an attempt to surrender by the Italian forces was stalled at the last minute. Mean while the luftwaffe has been beaten soundly i nnearly evey equal contest. Where to for Allied forces now....so many beaches to invade!!

Gunny...you need help with invasions. You are never going to win an invasion attacking at 1% efficency.

Follow these steps may help a little:

1/Complete air supremacy.

2/As much naval bombardment as possible.

3/Logistics strikes to destroy Infra.

4/All units invading on offensive supplies.

5/Never, ever, ever attack with more then 3 divisions from 1 sea zone.

6/If atatcking the same beach from 2 sea zones you may use 3 divisions invading from each but make sure you have a general in command of each group of 3, you can increase by 3 the number of divisions attacking without penalty for each seperate sea zone adjacent to the defenders.

7/Have reinforcements on ships ready for a second wave should the first one fail.

8/Remember its the Naval bombardment and aircraft which do the damage the troops only have to engage the troops on the beaches for lots of damage to be done.

9/If you have 12 divisions on a transport fleet you should be able to have 4 consecutive battles with 3 divisions. If you send in all 12 at the same time they will fight at 1% efficency.

10/Most importantly of all....you need Marines first or Mountains(2nd) to have any chance of a successful invasion. Normal troops suffer a -75 invasion penalty. Marines only suffer -10 and this can be reduced by good leaders. You marines and mountains can attack with efficency form 50%-130% depending on how much naval bombardment and what damage your planes are doing. Once the attack starts on the beach set your planes to interdiction to reduce org.

As an example I invaded sicily which had 6 infantry(a couple Germans) and an armour divisions defending the beach head. The troops were dug in and it was a hills province. I attacked from 3 zones with my best generals. The Infra on the province was bomber to zero. When the invasion started the planes were set to interdiction. The attack started and my marines were atatcking at around 80-100% efficency, my mountains around 60-80 & a sole infantry division at around 15-20%. The defenders were defending at between 60-80% efficency. With hours the enemy org was reducing rapidly. the only thing holding the defense together was the armour.

As another example Corsica had 10 french divisions on it. I attacked from Sardinia accross the straits(which has the same penalty as invasions). But in this case I could attack from Sardinia with up to 24 divisions if I have a HQ with no stacking penalty. I only attacked with 12 divisions(marines are great for straits) and becasue the province infra was bombed so much my troops orged up 5 times faster. Which means after 2 consecutive battles the battle was one. The first battle was stopped when Axis ships blocked the straits.


So if done correctly any invasion can sucede provided you amass the right forces. Be aware that just like World War 2 the Yanks had to bypass some islands and sometiems they are defended to strong. If the Germans sit 9 armour divisions in a beach you will never take it by invasion. However there will be plenty more beaches defended by less.
 
major ball said:
5/Never, ever, ever attack with more then 3 divisions from 1 sea zone.

All of Major's points are correct bar this one. Whilst your units do recieve penalties when more than 3 units attack, the additional firepower more units bring (particularly when marine or mountain) more than offsets this.

I raised this same point with mike a few weeks ago. Essentially, the optimum force that the more mathematically minded in these forums have calcuated to be, is 8 divisions in one attack. Up to this point, the additional 'shots' compensate more than the penalties, and the larger overall force means enemy attacks are spread out over your invading forces more thinly, giving your greater staying power. A bigger invasion means generally a longer, but more winnable battle.

Otherwise, Major is spot on.
 
The UK wining every air battle, what a joke. The only air battles you have won for years are around sicily where you massed nearly every air unit you muster. Allied air units have massacred over spain, italy and the Uk. Yes thats right the UK.

While the allies can only afford to mass in one place, Germanies airforce is off such a size i can mass in Italy, France, Spain and Poland.

The luftwaffe launched massive strategic bombing operations are scout planes reported only 3-4 fighters in the UK. This was to good to be true. Over a peroid of 3 months UK IC was reduced from 184 down to 142. A loss of 42 IC for 3 months. It is reported many of the UK cities are utterly destroyed, enitre populations wiped out. The fire bombings of london and many large cities was very effective.

It took over 3 months for the allies to move any aircraft back to the UK. Once again the US airforce was massacred over the UK. In time the allies brought in more aircraft, and although the luftwaffe has more then enough fighters there to control the air the damage has been done.

For major to claim it has no effect on him due to no manpower to build anything, it also effects, TC, supplies, reinforcments, upgrades and so on. The suffering of the UK people has been immense and it will only get worse. Next time germany will returns with waves of strategic bombers.

Italy has lost sicily, but sicily is always vulnerable, there is not much italy can do at this stage of the game to hold. In other news the UK attempted to get ashore into mainland italy, where the Germany army is now in position to repell any invasion. 15 allied divisions where swept back into the sea with ease. It seems German Panzers armies are far more of a match then the lowly italians army. Allied airfroces were masscred over mainland italy. Now that the UK has to fly over italy and not around it radars near malta, this will be a battle it will never win.

In other news, Hitler got reports of tensions rising between the Allies and the USSR. In a strange twist when Brazil offered peace to the Axis i accepted it, then at the same time, Brazil then DOW on Communist China, putt it at war with its allie the USSR. It seems the USSR is intent on punishing the Brazilians a former allie nation and in the south americas. It seems the US is not at all pleased with this situation. What will happen here when the USSR lands in Brazil and then annexs?

Closer to home the USSR has made demands on the Allies to vacate Turkey so that it may become a soviet sattelite. Will the allies give up another of there minor nations to the bully boy in the east.

The USSR has also made demands for sinking from Japan. Hitler also sent a letter to Stalin that the Axis would not accept any further demands and any demands should go through Hitler first, as leader of the Axis. Hitler notes in diary, that Stalin that does not have good manners. :mad:

It is up to Japan what they do.

So the game is afoot, mighty is certainly making this game interesting. He is playing not to favour either the allies or the axis but to benift the USSR from both sides. As for where the game is going or well end up, i got no clue. Anything could happen, which is very interesting.

In news from the far east, reports indicate Singapore fell to the Japanese. The large allied forces there were either destroyed or surrendered. 19 Allied divisions were lost, seems the allied had there own sicily.

In india, Japanese forces are once again on the offensive, with allied forces in retreat in nearly all areas. Wonder where all the allied forces went, seems the weakened India to go to Italy maybe or elsewhere.

Interesting game.
 
Sicily Taken - Singapore Lost

June - August 42

Europe

In a diversionary operation to keep the Luftwaffa away from the Sicily area, USA Air and Navy units took the fight to the Axis in the Western Med. Plucky USAF formations struck deep into Axis Spain in an effort to draw out as much of the Luftwaffa as possible. US fighter and bomber formations were badly mauled by the eager Axis response but no units were destroyed. USN ships have also been running the gauntlet of Axis bombers by using NW African ports well in range of Axis bombers as part of the diversion with the loss of sevral escort carriers which were offered up as juicy targets for the Axis flyers. As a result of these actions hardly a German aircraft was spotted above the Sicily invasion beaches giving the Allies total air control of the area allowing a successfull opposed landing against a strong and well intrenched defender.

FDR has congratulated Churchill on the tremendous success of the Sicily landings and has promised all the support needed to take the battle into the heart of the Italian mainland.



USAF units are now helping to defend the UK homeland after a devistating blitz by Axis air formations did much damage to British industry. The arrival of new USAF units helped restore the air defenses although it was many weeks before a credible air defense could be organised. With the latest in USAF aircraft now flying in to the UK FDR has promised the hard pressed Brits the air war will soon be taken to occupied Europe.

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In Asia/Pacific


Singapore Falls

The fortress of Singapore has fallen. After holding out for nearly 2 years the heroic defenders were finally overwhelmed by a huge Jap/Sino onslaught. Sadly no evacuation was possible and all defenders were lost. FDR paid tribute to the Singapore garrison saying they had tied up many times their number in enemy troops and resourses and played a crucial part in stemming Japanese expansion in Asia.

A new major Jap offensive has opened in India with a massive push from the North and East. Although heavely outnumbered US commanders are confident their modern weaponry will be enough to halt this new attack.

The second attempt by US forces to invade Celabas Island has been thwarted
by determind Jap defenders. A Major operation was cancelled after masses of JAP airpower intercepted the invasion fleet as it took up position South of the Island. Most of the USN pre war sub force was lost in the fighting when they stumbled upon the IJN,s MBF West of Celabas.

US ground forces continue to advace through Irian Jiya and the Islands North of Australia meeting light Jap resistance.

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It has been reported that FDR will travel to the Mid-West later this week to open a new top secret facility which, if the rumors are to be believed, will produce a weapon so powerfull it could well win the war for the Allies.


GOD BLESS SECRET WEAPONS :cool: :cool: :cool: :eek: :cool:

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Message to Stalin from FDR

If any Soviet forces enter the Americas the USA will declare war on the USSR and her Allies. :mad:


If the Soviets want a war they have only to look West over their frontier to see their true enemies.

Now is the time for the heroic workers of the USSR to strike a blow against the Fascists. Now while the Axis are scrambling to defend Western Europe. FDR will draw no halt lines in Europe if the Soviets attack now. Now is the time!!! For Gods sake Stalin strike now while you can still win!!


God Bless Communism and Uncle Joe :)


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Nolan said:
Message to Stalin from FDR

If any Soviet forces enter the Americas the USA will declare war on the USSR and her Allies. :mad:


If the Soviets want a war they have only to look West over their frontier to see their true enemies.

Now is the time for the heroic workers of the USSR to strike a blow against the Fascists. Now while the Axis are scrambling to defend Western Europe. FDR will draw no halt lines in Europe if the Soviets attack now. Now is the time!!! For Gods sake Stalin strike now while you can still win!!


God Bless Communism and Uncle Joe :)


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Stalin can strik if he wishes, but Germany is well prepared. Over 3/4 of the Germany army is in Poland to prevent any such sneak attack. Mighties sneak attack on the USSR in the other DD game has not gone unnoticed.

How ever i think stalin has longer term plans afoot. Why fight either the axis or allies when were doing a good job at killing each other weaking both of us, so the USSR can just waltz in later and take us all out.

Germanies position as follows.

Turkey is a matter for the USSR and Allies. Germany will take no action against soviet incurisions into this area.

Brazil being a former enemy of the Reich deserves what it gets. Germany will go as far to offer a limited military access agreement to allow Sovet ships to reach brazil. Germany wishes to see Brazil punished for its war against Germany.

Sinking. If japan agrees to your demands Germany will not stand in the way of the deal. However no future demands ill be entertained on any axis nation, without large compensation.

If war should break out between the USSR & Allies, Germany will remain nuetrual to both sides. Eg, no military access for the USSR in Axis lands and certainly not for the allies.

Germany is also agreeable to a Peace Treaty if war should break out between the Allies and the USSR. Any treaty would have to include current gains and losses as the lines stand today or at lest very close. Germany does not want to see the Allies utterly defeated only th then fight the communist behemoth. The allies and axis can always have peace for a few years, there is still 11 years left in this game, so plenty time to get it on again later.

I wonder why the US is so desperate for the USSR to fight facism. Can not the mighty US defeat Germany alone. Surely the greatp ower of the US of A could handle Germany. Or are you just afraid.
 
O beleive me we have cramped living conditions over here Honest :) :)

Stalin will make a formal post either tonight or tomorrow morning...
 
Actualy i prefer the expanse of the west, that is the US mid west. Nice open plains. Hmm yes i would prefer that to the cold of russia. Dont like the cold weather. Florida looks like a nice place to live.
 
OK here are some points i want to raise.

Do people here want a purely historical game, with rules and set DOW dates for every nation that is played ot make sure it is purely historical?

I dont want this, do others.

Unless people want the above type of game, everyone one of our games will be different. With so many years to buildup, make plans and fight your battles, and other nations joining the war, we will NEVER ever get a historical game. Do we really want to play the same set of rules, DOW dates every game we play?

I dont.

I belive a general set of rules till danzig, and limiting the DOW times for some nations. Other then this its game on. Play the game and what happens happens.

In this current game, i certainly didnt play for no war with russia. Just turned out that way. And in hindsight it was certainly the right decision. With the allies pounding Italy, sicily gone, africa gone the allies have the upperhand in the med and against Italy. You dont hear me moan and carry on about these losses, its certainly fun playing it.

Japan has had a hard game as well, with alot of losses but also some good victories. But the allies here are also slowly rolling Japan back except for india, and its only mid 1942.

So the allies are on the offensive world wide and its only mid 1942. Yet major is still moaning like a child at how unfair the game is. Imagine how unfair it would be for the Germany/Italy had I DOW russia with the forces that are being used aginast Italy. The allies are in a very good position at present. Stop complaining about not being able to fight germany on land, your not ment to be even capable of of it until mid 44, so you got 2 years for the US to pump out tanks, planes for the war.

I think mighty is playing a very good game considering. He has been fair to both sides making demands on both and selling units to both. He is playing to win the game as he should. It will certainly be very fun to watch and see what happens should the allies and USSR go to war.

It wont be easy for mighty as he has to maintain large forces aginast me, forces aginast japan, as well as do any operations aginst the allies. He will have to be careful my 100 Armour/Mot/Mech dont come stormin across the border while hes busy fighting elsewhere.

If we are going to just quit games becuase 1 player no longer thinks it worth playing becuase the game hasnt turned out the way he wanted, then i want no further part in any of our games. We play the games, and play no matter what happens until some one wins.

If anyone quits these games unless its a group decision for a new game then i will no longer play with that person again. We spend far to much time playing to through it away becuase games dont turn out the way we plan. So what, are the battles any less fun. Becuase its tough does that make it not fun. God go play italy it you want tough. UK is breeze compared to Italy. Italy is by far the hardest nation to play and win.

What do others think. Is it not fun to play no matter what happens. Perhaps it will end in a nuke fest. Who nows.
 
USA really needs to be denied entry until Japan DOW's them, provided USA gets there gearings from chinese events.

The only reason the yanks entered the 2ndWW is because they were directly attacked by the japanese. MY main concern is i guess if we allow some unhistorical timetable for USA then Japan is forced to invade them early on in the game and forgo a chinese caimpaign, all that china does is quagmire forces and deny Japan the time they need to modernize there forces.

As for the situation we have where i am Russia it is a tough position. I could support a war V axis or allies but to go truely global will take USSR another year-2 (43-44). I have supported both Axis and Allies in differnet ways but in a way the lack of DOW on me has left my options a bit tricky to choose from.

Im happy so long as all players have a fair chance. I guess we are yet to test our Dow date structure but i think it is the best idea.

I guess realistically if we play a game with open ended DOW dates i will never ever play Japan. Witht he risk of an early USA entry the game is allready over for Japan.

I dont want a purely A historical game as that is just sucky. On the same token a non historical game is always going to disbenefit one team depending on player strengths.
 
I guess the other option would to be experiment with alliances.

JAP + USSR V ALLIES V AXIS

2v2v2 its late and all sort of shit is in ma brain :)
 
mike8472 said:
If we are going to just quit games becuase 1 player no longer thinks it worth playing becuase the game hasnt turned out the way he wanted, then i want no further part in any of our games. We play the games, and play no matter what happens until some one wins.

If anyone quits these games unless its a group decision for a new game then i will no longer play with that person again. We spend far to much time playing to through it away becuase games dont turn out the way we plan. So what, are the battles any less fun. Becuase its tough does that make it not fun. God go play italy it you want tough. UK is breeze compared to Italy. Italy is by far the hardest nation to play and win.
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Big talk for the poorest German player we have had yet. Give us a German player with some balls willing to take a risk and play the aggresive game we need to have a good game. I dont think any game which involves no attack on Russia come mid 1943 and then the Russians attack the Allies is just out right ridiculous in this game. Whats the point of playing? The game is designed to be played Russia/Uk/USA vs the Axis. Not Russia/Axis vs UK/USA.
Its ok for you to sit back and do nothing with huge IC say things about other people. Who wants to play a one sided game like that?
The game was never designed for that...after 1945 and the Axis have been defeated but not 1943.
What we need is an Axis player with balls....a purely defensive Axis just stagnates the game. You play with anyone you like...but I dont want to play games either if you think it fair for the Russians to DOW the Allies before Germany has even atatcked them.
Historical/Unhistorical call it what you like...I call it bullshit and unfair.
 
major ball said:
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Big talk for the poorest German player we have had yet. Give us a German player with some balls willing to take a risk and play the aggresive game we need to have a good game. I dont think any game which involves no attack on Russia come mid 1943 and then the Russians attack the Allies is just out right ridiculous in this game. Whats the point of playing? The game is designed to be played Russia/Uk/USA vs the Axis. Not Russia/Axis vs UK/USA.
Its ok for you to sit back and do nothing with huge IC say things about other people. Who wants to play a one sided game like that?
The game was never designed for that...after 1945 and the Axis have been defeated but not 1943.
What we need is an Axis player with balls....a purely defensive Axis just stagnates the game. You play with anyone you like...but I dont want to play games either if you think it fair for the Russians to DOW the Allies before Germany has even atatcked them.
Historical/Unhistorical call it what you like...I call it bullshit and unfair.

If your going to add stupid comment that are not contructive and add to a debate then dont bother posting.

The point im making for all people is this.

Games will never turn out the way you plan in your mind. Mighty does not want to play USSR the way Major plays the USSR. And mighty is right, he can play the USSR the way he sees fit within our rules. Its the same with Germany, i do everything right a completly historical game up to mid 1940 when Japan and the US join the war.

There is nothing i can do about that, but it changes the complete complex of the game. From that point on this game ceased to be the Historical game you want.

Look at how poor Italy is, kicked out of Africa so early, sicily invaded. I dont understand why your complaining so much when your on the offensive. Where in Europe are the axis pushing you back.

Because the game has turned out differently to what you want does it mean it any less fun to play. No it dosnt, it ismply different to what you wanted. But what you want does not correspond to what everyone else may want.

Now im going to have a deliberate dig at you major. You are the only person in our group to quit games when they reach this stage. In two games as the USSR you quit becuase you were being beaten, either through your own fault or your allies, everyone else wanted to play on. You quit another game becuase you couldnt get along with JH. Now if you quit this game becuase it dosnt suit you, dont bother playing any more games with me. It may not be the game you or me wanted to play but you can only play the hand your dealt.

Now stop your moaning, and play the game out no matter what happens. The game has a way of balancing itself out. All you need to do is let go and try not to control every aspect of all players games. Your a control freak, leave people to play there game and just respond the best way you can.

UK is not ment to be a massive force in the game from this point on, your a small part of the game after mid 1941 or so. First it Italy to be less important, then UK, then Japan, then Germany i they lose and the last two left standing the USSR and USA. All nations except the USSR & USA, will likely exhasut there manpower. Thats they way it is and should be. Thats the fun part of the game, trying to ends meet when you having nothing less to give. Some thing has to give or be sacrificed.

As i understand it, you dont have to go to war with the USSR. If the Allies are not in a position at present to fight the USSR then give in to mighties demands. The Axis have given in to mighties demands over siking, if you want to fight a war aginast the USSR over turkey, thats your choice.

This is the main point, you now have a choice between war and peace with the USSR. If you think mighty is bluffing fine, play the game of poker and see whos bluffing. If your prepared to go to war over turkey, then its your choice. Same over Brazil, the AI DOW on Commie Chine which put Brazil at war with the USSR. Perhaps the allies should do a deal trade Brazil for Turkey.

Your choice.
 
mike8472 said:
If your going to add stupid comment that are not contructive and add to a debate then dont bother posting.

The point im making for all people is this.

Games will never turn out the way you plan in your mind. Mighty does not want to play USSR the way Major plays the USSR. And mighty is right, he can play the USSR the way he sees fit within our rules. Its the same with Germany, i do everything right a completly historical game up to mid 1940 when Japan and the US join the war.

There is nothing i can do about that, but it changes the complete complex of the game. From that point on this game ceased to be the Historical game you want.

Look at how poor Italy is, kicked out of Africa so early, sicily invaded. I dont understand why your complaining so much when your on the offensive. Where in Europe are the axis pushing you back.

Because the game has turned out differently to what you want does it mean it any less fun to play. No it dosnt, it ismply different to what you wanted. But what you want does not correspond to what everyone else may want.

Now im going to have a deliberate dig at you major. You are the only person in our group to quit games when they reach this stage. In two games as the USSR you quit becuase you were being beaten, either through your own fault or your allies, everyone else wanted to play on. You quit another game becuase you couldnt get along with JH. Now if you quit this game becuase it dosnt suit you, dont bother playing any more games with me. It may not be the game you or me wanted to play but you can only play the hand your dealt.

Now stop your moaning, and play the game out no matter what happens. The game has a way of balancing itself out. All you need to do is let go and try not to control every aspect of all players games. Your a control freak, leave people to play there game and just respond the best way you can.

UK is not ment to be a massive force in the game from this point on, your a small part of the game after mid 1941 or so. First it Italy to be less important, then UK, then Japan, then Germany i they lose and the last two left standing the USSR and USA. All nations except the USSR & USA, will likely exhasut there manpower. Thats they way it is and should be. Thats the fun part of the game, trying to ends meet when you having nothing less to give. Some thing has to give or be sacrificed.

As i understand it, you dont have to go to war with the USSR. If the Allies are not in a position at present to fight the USSR then give in to mighties demands. The Axis have given in to mighties demands over siking, if you want to fight a war aginast the USSR over turkey, thats your choice.

This is the main point, you now have a choice between war and peace with the USSR. If you think mighty is bluffing fine, play the game of poker and see whos bluffing. If your prepared to go to war over turkey, then its your choice. Same over Brazil, the AI DOW on Commie Chine which put Brazil at war with the USSR. Perhaps the allies should do a deal trade Brazil for Turkey.

Your choice.

Come in Spinner!!
 
Nolan said:
The Allies have earned their place in Turkey with Allied blood. USA troops in Turkey are there to stay untill the Axis threat to the region is removed.


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As long as Allied troops remain in turkey, there will always be a threat to turkey. The axis only wish to bring the peace of facism to the people of turkey.

Turkey will be Axis controlled one day, there are 11 long years left and we are only in the begining of this conflict.