Aussie Group DD Games Discussion.

[mike8472]

Time to talk about some DD games and some ideas on how to play them.

As of next week Myself, Major, Munster, Mighty, Gunship and BB (if she finds her CD) will all have Doomsday. I know Joels is in the post as well. So Nolan and others hurry up and get it. You can down load it from Paradox for like $30 cheaper then buying it in the shops. Here is the link to download it. http://shop.paradoxondemand.com/

So by end of next week we should be able to start up a DD game. I would like to try Germany in my first game to play out the differences.

What we need to talk about are how we will play the game.

Alot of our game styles and how we play will need to change a bit to take into account the far longer period of time. With the longer time periods comes the option of alot longer plans. Also we can fight alot more smaller wars if we want to. Perhaps Italy and UK would fight by them selves, or US & Japan or even the Germany and the USSR. These wars may not happen until after 1945. Maybe Germany and the UK will settle for peace in 1940. Who knows, just ideas.

1. Major war should still start on Danzig. After this point anything can happen really. It should remain up to the players if and when the Ger v USSR war starts and Japan vs USA. Perhaps these will never happen.

2. With the longer time period i can see 3 disintive teams appearing. Instead of the communist being on the allied team, they will probably pursue there own agenda. It will actaly be alot more fun to play the USSR really, might trythem my second game. So many options, you can fight Japan for china, India is a nice target, or perhaps Germany its self or the middle east. Could really be very interesting.

3. Spying will no doubt lead to some arguements. I will say this you can prevent most actions if you spend the money to defend yourself. Just play the game if a bad action happens to you work harder to defend yourself. But if you feel the actions are to sevre you can always DOW on them.

What do others think, just some thoughts.

 

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Some thoughts, ww2 should proceed as normal with axis minor countries having the option to surrender when under pressure. Nat Spain and Italy should be able to surrender to the allies when in danger of going under. Romania and Hungary should go communist when USSR gets going. Maybe Japan and Germany can also surrender when the outcome is clear. Lets say this happens by 44-46 roughly that still leaves 7 years of game time. Maybe after a short peace the comintern should be required to dow the allies. By allowing surrenders the axis players can play on after defeat and we can really embrace the concept of ww3.

Assasinations of heads of state should be banned. This can be done when the head of state or gov is a minister ie franco as chief os army staff. Other then that we really need to play a few games to see whats to be done.

 

[mike8472]

There may also be a settled peace. If the UK is losing badly or invade they may settler for peace with the Axis. Perhaps russia is doing badly they may also aim to settle. If the axis are losing then it might end up like 1945 IRL but i doubt that will happen unless we play the 45 scenario.

There is no reason why instead of Germany and Russia going at it in 41, that instead they decide to carve up the middle east and india. In this case the allies would have little choice but to accept peace.

These are just examples, but it opens up a whole bunch of options to all players. I can see the first few years of war being like we have now but after that will depend alot on the what the Communist and Axis sides want to do.

 

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My only problem with openng up the allance is that you open the game up for uber unfair alliance gangings. I think we will have to keep the historical alliance structure else we could see some truly fucked up games that could leave to some real fights.

I say axis must be axis and must war the comintern and allies. USA has to be allies and the comintern cannot dow allies until axis are defeated. Otherwise we could get axis and comintern vs allies which is absurd and impossible for the Allies to win. Its about balance mike...

 

[mike8472]

Im all for balance BB. But you cant force a nation to DOW on another nation. I suspect Germany and the USSR will go at it some point but when that happens will probably vary alot depending on the players.

I agree with making all 3 teams as they were, no crap like USA going commie or facist. Also it was a very real posiblity the allies were going to go to war with russia and it is also an option in events in the game. In the MR pact between Germany and Russia there is the option of Un-holy alliance so how can you ban a event. With the Soviets taking half of poland which the allies went to war over and also finland. The allies had plans to send troops to finland and bomb russia from finland and persia. These are the kind of possibilies that will happen. Dooms day is going to be a far more unpredicable game.

1. You cant see what each other is building, so get ready for some suprises.

2. You have 3 seperate teams. Already im reading reports on Doomsday MP games where the US is refusing to send lend lease to Russia so that russia dosnt get to strong after the war with germany. The US player wants a longer more protracted war to weaken both.

3. If Russia looks to strong to defeat by Germany for some reason im sure not going to commit sucide in a war i cant win. I will wait for the right time to strike. That time might be if Russia goes to war agianst the allies or if they fight Japan and try to take china.

This is the reason im throwing these ideas up now as DD is not going to pan out the same way as HOI 2. Players will be looking longer term. Im sure not going to play germany with the aim to lose by 45. I will be playing to survie and reach the 1950's with a strong Germany and axis. Hopefully a 3 way COLD WAR or HOT WAR. Maybe it will turn out to be an Allies Axis cold war, or perhaps and Axis vs Communist cold war after they conquere the allies or maybe it will be history. These are the kinds of things that may happen. This is no longer just a World war 2 game there is alot bigger time frame and people will adjust there plans.

Doomsday is about 1 side wining. Not commines and allies beating germany, as then they both have to fight it out. So alot of different things are going to happen. It wont turn out like histroy when were starting in 1936 and can aboid all the same mistakes those nations made.

 

[Majorball]

First game should be roughly historical..so all can learn the game and have some fun.

 

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First game should be roughly historical..so all can learn the game and have some fun.

I'm with you on this one major. Lets see if we can even get a game to the stage where the Axis are defeated, before we worry about the decadent capitalist states being liberated by the peace loving communists...

 

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I'm with joel and major on this one. Lets at least get to 45 in some kind of order and see how it all works before we go changing everything our group has ever done in the past.

 

[mike8472]

I'm with joel and major on this one. Lets at least get to 45 in some kind of order and see how it all works before we go changing everything our group has ever done in the past.

Hey all im for historical outcome as well.....but.... with me playing germany you aint gonna get it becuase Germany will have defeated Russia by 45 and then ill turn on the allies. Should have yous all conquered by 53.

You cant expect the game to be historical when we start it in 1936, it wont happen. Just dont expect the war to be over in 45 and on to the cold war. It is going to go two ways, germany loses quickly if they make mistakes or its a long war where germany wins.

But its pointless debating what may happen in 45 after 9 years of war. All we should agree on is that who ever is defeated either plays on as that nation as a pupet or plays another nation. No quitters, the game goes on no matter what as there are 3 sides now.

 

[mike8472]

We are going to try and start a DD game up on either Thursday or Friday, so if you havnt got DD yet and want to play hurry up.

So far myself, BB, major, munster, gunny, mighty have DD. Good if we could get 2 more players as playing minors now should be alot better with the longer time peroid.

Also i will able to host again as of tomorrow. Im getting my new Telstra Extreme Cable connection 17mps d/l and 256 upload with a 60 gig limit. I got 9 months at half price, with free instalation, free modem.

Major doesnt want to host becuase he always has to unplug his router to host and munsters not keen on it. So looks like it will be up to me with my super computer and super connection.

So let me know if you want to be part of the First DD Game for the Aussie group.

 

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I am ready to go starting Thursday

 

[Tzare]

Just wanted to tell you guys, that what ive read about DD so far is...

Saving in MP does not work in DD.

You might want to test this before trying to organise a game, sure is a nasty bug if its true