HistoryMan said:
Yes, I have their economies as pretty similar in size too, though Austria produces a bit more steel & iron, etc. As I say, I'd expect to see them pretty much at the same sort of level as each other for 0.40.
Tim
well, that would be an improvement, would give Austria another 4 IC IIRC.
in terms of "dissent for Anschluss" event, the idea is NOT to model dissatisfaction with the Anschluss (which was indeed minor), but instead simulate the "administration friction" that was not inconsiderable. there might be a better way to do this, but the idea is to have the Austria IC gains accrews progessivly over time rather than all at once.
IMO and as said before, the "Austrian question" is not quite appeciated as the big question it was during the day. bascially appreasement did not start with Czech, it started with Ancschluss, which everyone had been keen on preventing.
There were a NUMBER of treaties that were discussed and tried; these should be in the game as for instance they can lead to radically different scenarios (for instance early war over Austria, but with Italy, Hungary etc. ), early peace treaty and surivial of fascist goverments etc
This hungarian website has a good summary of some of the treaties, ones that were discussed in the end of 1935 could be discussed in 1936 as well:
Italy going for AXIS is certainly not a pre-made decision; many Italian Fascists were against it as they had the chance to dominate Austria, Hungary and Yugoloavia while at the same time being on good relations with France and th UK WITHOUT going for Axis. Hungary and Austria were also in favor of this model, obviously
http://www.hungarian-history.hu/lib/montgo/montgo23.htm
June 7, 1933: Four Power Pact initialed by Britain, France, Italy, Germany.
September 2, 1933: The British government agrees to the establishment of a special Austrian force of 8,000 men to meet "grave circumstances." France and Italy have consented before.* September 29, 1933: Little Entente meeting at Sinaia: King * Agreements concerning Austria have been included in this chronology because, since the advent of Hitler to power, the maintenance of Austrian independence became a primary issue for all powers interested in the stability of Europe.
Alexander King Carol Benes, Titulescuand Jeftic They decide to rebuild Danubian countries and base their plan upon "an intimate co- operation of Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Rumania, Hungary, Bulgaria and Austria." February 6, 1934: Hungary recognizes the Soviet government by establishing diplomatic relations with Russia.
March 17, 1934: Three Power Pact: Italy, Austria and Hungary envisage common consultation; an increase of mutual exports by means of bilateral treaties. They set up a permanent commission of three trade experts. Austrian goods shall receive preferential treatment in Italy.
June 15, 1934: After a Mussolini- Hitler meeting, Count Ciano declares: "We have agreed to grant to Austria the means of making her livelihood on the basis of the full recognition of her independence." July 26, 1934: In reaction to Dollfuss assassination: England's Sir John Simon, France's Premier Daumergue and Mussolini declare their respective country's support of Austrian independence.
January 7, 1935: French- Italian Pact: initialed in Rome by Lavaland Mussolini. It fixes the frontiers in North Africa and defines the status of Italians in Tunisia. Furthermore: "The two governments declare that they are in agreement in recommending to those states most interested the conclusion of a pact of noninterference in their respective internal affairs. The above- mentioned agreement should be signed by Italy, Germany, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia and Austria, that is to say by the countries which border on Austria and by Austria herself.
April 14, 1935: Foundation of the Stresa Front: Stresa Conference of Italy, Britain and France reaffirms the consultation pacts concerning threats to Austria's independence. Also reaffirms the Locarno obligations.
May 2, 1935: Franco- Russian mutual assistance pact initialed in Moscow by Laval
May 16, 1935: Soviet- Czecho- Slovak mutual assistance pact signed: Aid is pledged on condition that the victim of aggression is assisted by France.
June 18, 1935: Anglo- German Naval Agreement: conceded to Germany a fleet representing 35% of the British navy in each category regardless of constructions of other powers.
July 26, 1935: Italy proposes to Austria and Hungary, and France proposes to the members of the Little Entente to make a Danubian Pact on the following lines: a) Affirmation of Austria's independence; b) affirmation of mutual noninterference; c) non-aggression agreement; d) consultation in case of violation of a, b, or c.
September 9, 1935: Foreign ministers of Austria and Hungary conclude a Hungarian- Austrian Agreement concerning the proposed Danubian Pact. Hungary opposed to mutual assistance pacts. Both will observe a common attitude toward requesting military equality. (Abrogated by the Paris Peace Treaties.) March 7, 1936: German troops march into Cologne, Coblenz, Frankfort, Mainz, Trier and Saarbruecken.
July 11, 1936: German- Austrian Agreement: "Austria's general policy and its policy toward Germany in particular shall be constantly guided by the principle that Austria recognizes herself as a German state. The Rome Protocol of March 1934, together with its additional clauses of 1936, and the relations of Austria with Italy and Hungary as partners of that protocol are not hereby affected." September 12/14, 1936: A Bratislava meeting of the foreign ministers of the Little Entente resolves that: a) Political treaties with outside countries shall only be concluded with the consent of the other two members of the Little Entente; b) expresses hope that Little Entente relations with Italy and Polandwill improve; c) regrets that Austria violated the military clauses of St. Germain; d) agrees on necessity of opposing Hungary's rearmament; e) regrets German press attacks on Czechoslovakia because of Russian airdromes there, calling them a "pure invention." October 20, 1936: Ita1o- German Agreement: Berlin recognizes annexation of Ethiopia.
November 1, 1936: Mussolini at Milan: "The Italo- German Entente forms a vertical line Berlin- Rome. This line is not a partition but is rather an AXIS around which all European states can collaborate" January 4, 1937: The Mediterranean Agreement, signed by Sir Eric Drummond and Count Ciano: "Anglo- Italian Gentlemen's Agreement," indirect recognition of Mussolini's Impero. Governments recognize that "the freedom of entry into, exit from and transit through the Mediterranean is a vital interest both to the different parts of the British Empire and to Italy and that these interests are in no way inconsistent with each other. . . ." March 26, 1937: Count Ciano and Premier Stoyadinovitch of Yugoslavia sign at Belgrade a political and economic agreement and a non-aggression pact. They undertake to respect their common frontiers on land and on the Adriatic Sea.
December 12, 1937: Italy withdraws from League of Nations.
January 12, 1938: Daranyi Schuschniggand Ciano, representing signatories of the Rome Protocol, hold a conference at Budapest: Austria and Hungary express friendly feelings toward the Axis, their antagonism to communism and sympathy for German, Italian, Japanese Anticomintern Pact. Austria and Italy pronounce themselves in favor of Hungary's military equality.
