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applied theory

South america, is usually banned in all MP games due to its heavy negative impact on US, and the fact that no nation at this time could stage an invation of these nations, it is simply not doable, realistically speaking.
But yes it will mess with the allies heavily.

The 'dangerous' positions that germany can hold in SU is a bit varied due to tactics, but usually I find this one the best...

Find 20 infra provinvces and oocupy them with a small force, make sure that he can only attack from his own 20 infra provinces, thus any attack done will be known weeks in advance and you can strat redeploy forces into the area , and voila, a deathtrap..
a bad defense, is where you hold 34+ infra provinces against 20 infra, you will be attacked within days from the 20 provinces, and cannot retaliate, as any counter attack will take a month to get there.

As for western defense, it is vital that you have tanks in the area as germany, if you do, then you can easily squash inf-heavy armies with the tactics of securing their landing beaches, but if they have massive armour formations, you will not be able to outspeed them, and you will be cut off.

So far two theories apply to Axis power, the UK variant, is where you hit UK very hard, and strip them completly, then hit SU later on, this reduces a western landing heavily, and gives you breathing room.....

Second option, is the prepared attack on SU, ofen early, like 39-40, where the allies are unprepared and you will gain atleast a year, but any western invasion will cost you the war if they anticipated this.

As for Romania eating...
SU takes 10 dissent for nations and gets hardly anything from them, but Axis can answer this provocation in several ways..
Either...let them have it..enjoy US being out of the war even longer and more SU consumer goods...or..take a country..lithuania or something, ie spending the US WE you gained to get more power early on, thus penalizing the SU move, basically any agressive SU move gives you options and you will not loose the initiative, unless he declares on Poland, in which case your will have to do the same.

Janster
 
I disagree with Italy's importance. I do not know about the rest of you but the second Germany gives me a direct command, when I am Italy, I annex Austria, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania (depending on weather they are PA yet), and then sign an early alliance with the Russians. After that tell me who is Italy's boss, and whether or not Germany is even top dog in Europe. Simply put if you do not respect Italy before the war she might bight you in the ass before you ever get off the ground. There was a reason Hitler backed down when Italy stacked her army on the Austrian border and said "When the Germans make it here they can meet the Italian armies" Also if Italy is doing the dowing for SU Germany is still screwed, so I think it would be best for all German players to be nice to Italy, or they might run across players like me who will not be content to play the abused child or yes man
 
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Oh, a revolutionary?
I don't know who plays Germany in your games, letting you get away with even one nation annexed without consulting with him, but in my case, when I see Italy running amock, they are bound to get "disciplined"(annexed). It's not that I have anything against the concept of initiative but such moves, not coordinated with Germany, can only result in the defeat of the Axis.
 
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Originally posted by Mihai Viteazul
Oh, a revolutionary?
I don't know who plays Germany in your games, letting you get away with even one nation annexed without consulting with him, but in my case, when I see Italy running amock, they are bound to get "disciplined"(annexed). It's not that I have anything against the concept of initiative but such moves, not coordinated with Germany, can only result in the defeat of the Axis.
Italy would be happy to see the Axis defeated if it joins the Allies instead. And Germany isn't going to be able to annex Italy if it doesn't get into Africa. And that's not likely to happen if France, Italy and the UK are allied.

Andrew
 
It should be the better player having the most weight in decision making, regardless of who is playing what country.

I know i wouldnt boss Jan around if i was playing as Germany and He Italy just because i control a major power.

In real life attitudes like this caused serious problems in every war. Patton was held in check by Eisenhower needlessly because they couldnt see eye to eye on strats, logistics, and EGO'S. Costing many allied lives in the long run.

Even tho Eisenhower was a better all around commander Patton was almost unmatched on reading a battle field or front and taking advantage of the situation on the fly. Hitler pulled even worse shenanigans on his FM's.

No need for anyone to make the same mistakes in a game where lives arent on the line, just some digital pride. Who cares who is using what nation. Get together and make some plans, then some contigency plans, then some plans for those contingency plans. In other words communication is key in this game or you will go down arguing amongst yourselves.
 
Coordination

It's always nice to have a good dialogue with Italy, wether Germany can boss them around or not, I don't know, but one thing is for clear, Hungary and Romania offer valuable troops that Italy cannot simply eat and say, hey we'll replace em, the axis manpower problem isn't cured byt that.

The german players set the timetable for a few things, invasion of France and invasion of SU, these gives the Italian player a few pointers, and how he should gear his military and research + industry.

Italy eating spree btw is nowadays easily stopped by using UK massive dipcorps to coup nation after nation, usually Jugoslavia or Greece falls fast, if so, any dow will bring Italy into war with allies alone.

Reading the game, and being able to see what the enemy is doing helps more than knowing what to build or what you can get by what time reasearch and buildwise.

I am still uncertain myself on the 'best' strategy for axis to secure a win, so far I've never lost with SU against someone who has attacked me early, and I belive that is poor strategy, altough I have hit SU early on giving me an easy win, cause I have found them to be too tech heavy for their own good ie. they get eaten by bad german tanks cause the best they've got is Renault 14

Lots and lots of my opponents have falled into the yes, on paper your Stalin III heavy tank looks nice, but I have 20 improved medium ON the board eating you alive, so hehe..die

Janster
 
Mihai Viteazul, I would look at starting regiments before I say dumb things. 66 divisions to 40 (Granted 7 are militia) so trying to "discipline" her isn't quite as easy as you think. And with a half intelligent Soviet Union you are dealing with the two largest armies on earth, can you say gangbang? Also you probably cannot look to the allies because most of the time they (A) are getting ready to try to pound your ass (because most consider you Boss) or (B) they feel Italy is just doing their work for them. Granted sometimes the Allies will come to Germany's aid, but how ready are the allies at the start of the game compared to Russia and Italy? Bet Italy and the Soviet Union could annex your sorry ass for thinking Germany is even close to ready for war in 1936 before you can ever receive any help. Of course Janster's idea works well:D

My real point was I will be a good ally for Germany if she respects me, but if she doesn't she might make things really hard on herself for no other reason than pride.
 
Everyone is in agreement here and most dont realize it. Bottom line is a player who doesnt communicate well ruins the game for everyone. A loss is a forgone conclusion at that point. The rest of the game is just an excercise in futility...
 
re

Respect?!... How can one be respectful over the internet? Do I have to extend a handshake through my cable every time I wanna talk to you? Do I have to finish every message with "sir"? Come on...
If I have to start writing an official letter every time I want to adress you, I think I can do better on my own.
And yes, if I had a better internet connection, I'd LOVE to see you break out through the Alps with 1936 tech and I'd REALLY LOVE to see the SU take out Poland in time.
As for me taking you out... I can wait until 1945 to just nuke you, what makes you think I will necessarily go down the Deadly Boot just like the allies went up it in real-life?
Yeah, I love it when adversaries underestimate me, makes victory even sweeter...
 
hehe

Nukes are usually banned in the game, but if you absolutly want to, I guess you can, but you wont get that many nukes a year.

Bascially without some measure of teamwork it wont work, and there has to be a plan of attack that everyone has to follow.

Basically the worst things that can happen is that the axis go on a annex spree thus engineering a US early warentry.
Beyond that Italy and others can actually do whatever they want..they can attack the allies as much as they want when the proper war begins..

There are ways to mess up play that is inproper if you ask me, like SU grabbing tons of land and exluding the us player from ever entering a war etc etc...or something else crazy that would endanger the entire game cause of one mans ambitions..

It takes a LONG time to play a proper Hoi session..so wasting others time is rather rude.

Jan
 
hmm i come up with something for a spanian player...you anint worth shit for anyone, right?
Butt if you beg ground techs from axis to join thier side, voila! you got some power, the allies don't want to have another front so guess what?
You demand naval tech from the allies to join thier allience, when you got enough tech(maybe you can get some from the SU just to don't join a allience:p ) you can decide what side you should join and maybe take portugal for some land...

Might work, even if all players know of this they'll try to win you over....maybe...


Worth a try and it could be fun to!
 
Yeah!

Also you know your safe after you quell the revolution.

You can seriously invest in IC/industry in all your low provinces, even some you normally wouldnt because of the saftey factor.

You could really take your sweet time.

Could be a good choice in MP when all the majors are taken.