Barents Escort torpedoes

[Nats]

I was doing this mission and I suddenly found my submarine attacked by about ten torpedoes at close range. I had just been placing sonar buoys around its location using helicopter to ensure there weren't any subs around. I didn't find any enemy subs, there were no aircraft and the nearest gunboats were many miles away (probably at least 50 miles away). So how did those torpedoes appear? Where the heck did they come from? My sub actually survived them all by some luck but they sure were a shock.

 

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Did u have any surface and air radar turned on?

If not they might have come from ASW helicopter though you would likely hear the ping of their sonobuoys first.

So it's left with the alternative. Yeah you guessed it right, another submarine.

You might have checked the area with sonobuoys but small submarines are pretty hard to detect even with active ping since their hull is coated to mitigate such counterdetection. They need to be fairly close to the sonobuoys to be detected.

Ten torpedoes at the same time however is a little too much for a single submarine. Small sub can at most launch 6 torpedoes at once then they need to reload. Unless it was 6 torpedoes then another 6 after a while.

Another RL alternative are mines with torpedo payload. They launch their torpedo when they detect appropriate sound signal. I do not know if they are in game, probably not.

 

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Nats,

Could be a Bear dropping torpedoes on you, or AsRoc from a Gorshkov which can be annoyingly far away.

 

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But the question is how did he get detected by a Tu-95 bear or how did those Asrocs coming down on him?

Unless he was emitting radar or another surface/subsurface platform picked up his active sonar if he was using it.

Unless it's all(the attack) scripted. After all if it was the sonobuoys they were supposed to be emitting active ping which would make them detectable by him. I think all he ever saw was the torpedoes.

I don't mean to patronize just genuinely curious as to what attacked him Hmm.

 

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Don't the two sides' subs start off really far apart in that mission?

 

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Don't the two sides' subs start off really far apart in that mission?

Hmm I don't know. Is he referring to Barents patrol mission?

Edit: Ah Barents escort. Will dig that I forgot how that one plays.

Edit2: I think it was indeed the submarine, they are not that far from each other. Nats must have played long enough for them to encounter one another and probably Nats was going a bit faster. It had been the Tu-95 Nats would have heard the sonobuoys.

I think Nats' sub was detected by the enemy sub. And if the sub was out of torpedo range it might be the ASROCs that got him which would explain there were 10 of them at once. But the Russian frigate could only launch 8 of the Asrocs so Nats probably wasn't counting which made it still very possible that he was attacked by the Lada submarine itself or the 8 Asrocs. Maybe NWAC doesn't simulate torpedo loading which in that case Nats was really attacked by 10 or more torpedoes all from the Russian submarine. It is almost certain he got detected by the Russian lada submarine imo.

 

[Nats]

My sub was definitely still well out of range of even the enemies gunboats never mind the larger ship contact behind those so I personally don't think it was the ASROCs unless they can fly a heck of a long way.

I did spot the Bear earlier in the mission but it kept disappearing.

I was using my helicopter around my sub shortly before that to drop some sonar buoys but it had gone by the time of the attack. My ASW plane was being used as an AWACS type thing well back and it never picked up any Bear near the sub at any poin,t but I assume the radar isnt very good on those things - not as good as AWACS anyway.

I had been using my sub at cruise (or faster) to try to get into the action so it could well have been detected but I never saw any enemy sonar buoys at all. The first sign was a torpedo at very close range behind the sub. Then another one from the left side further away I think, and then it seems another from the other side but I cant be sure of that. there must have been at least eight of them as they kept coming. All I know is I seemed to get surrounded by torpedoes bloody fast and they came from nowhere. I rushed my ASW plane over and dropped a load more sonar buoys but didn't find a thing. I turned my subs active sonar on (the towed array was on all the time) to try to detect something but still didnt see anything but I was probably going too fast anyway at that point to get away from the torpedoes. My sub escaped all of them somehow and I never saw what had dropped the torps at all.

I wish I had kept a record of what torps they were, there seemed to be two different types. Either way it was very scary and my sub captain must have been very talented to have got away without a scratch that day.

 

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I'm almost certain it was the sub that detected you. The sub most probably fired too. It could be possible some other platform fired too.

In Barents escort the Russian sub started all the way to the front of their most forward corvettes.

When you go in high speed or even more full speed the sub should not be able to hear anything passive or active that's why going active on sonar is useless if you're at flank speed.

If it was the Tu-95 bear which detected you and prosecuted you you would def hear/detect their sonobuoys first which u didn't. That's why the radar didn't pick anything since it was the sub who was behind you that detected and fired on you. Their towed array made them best at detecting anything behind them. But you were probably detected by multiple passive sonars.

You could try to imitate your moves again (going cruise with sub and its route).

Well what u described is a classic successful submarine attack. The target didn't know where it was coming from or what hit them. if it was the Tu-95 you would have a harder time evading as u would be tracked by so many of its buoys. With its speed it would prosecute you no matter what as long as it still has buoys left. Moreover the looming nearby Tu-95 bear is going to be seen in your radar. That plane is HUGE :happy:. Sub must give up their stealth to give chase and even their top speed is only about 23 knots for an electric submarine like Lada. Just saying if you had been snared in sonobuoys field from Tu-95 you would have a much harder time evading certainly much longer time evading.

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Bets if it was the Lada? if you lose u'll need to treat a homeless guy to a lunch or dinner, doesn't have to be fancy, but you got to eat with the guy and pay his meal. If i lose ill do the same.:happy:

 

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I think it was the Lada, too.

I just played against a German 212 in a new mission I'm making, and the same happened. You only see a bunch of Seehecht torpedoes with your name on it. The AI has a tendency to go overkill on sub-vs-sub attacks, but it definitely works!

 

[Nats]

Yeah I had a look at the Russian side out of interest and I also think it was the sub. I obviously was going too fast to detect him and he was outside the range of the sonar buoys, and he shot in some long range ASROCs which explains why they came at different angles. I think he probably also launched some normal torps at me which explains the various types of torp I noticed. So very good AI - he almost got me! I have to say trying the Russian side of that mission NATO have done far better than I did - lost all of my planes pretty much within the first hour and I just got one patrol boat.