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i just want to know under what conditions i can play as portugal.
why well.... they just seem interesting
as in what if portugal were a little bigger and had the population to hold onto their variuos gains throuout the world and stayed a bigger power
why well.... they just seem interesting
as in what if portugal were a little bigger and had the population to hold onto their variuos gains throuout the world and stayed a bigger power
I'd say modern-era Portugal did about as well as a country could ever do against huge demographic odds. The creation of its Indian Ocean network was the work of a few thousand men and was a truly remarkable achievement; they were competing not against New World natives but the likes of Egypt, Malacca, the Omanis, Indian princes and the Swahili trading cities. Of course, if you could weld Leon/Castile to yourself in CK, as could have happened on several occasions IRL, and the game does end up including that feature allowing you to continue into EU2 who knows
Navarra was a significant power in 1066. It would be fun to play. I like mountain strongholds, and you could fanny around with all Spanish Christian kingdoms, the Moors and in the south of France too. I hope the game lets you play Barcelona though, I'd play that first because it has a Mediterranean coastline.
Navarra was a significant power in 1066. It would be fun to play. I like mountain strongholds, and you could fanny around with all Spanish Christian kingdoms, the Moors and in the south of France too. I hope the game lets you play Barcelona though, I'd play that first because it has a Mediterranean coastline.
Not so Really, Navarra was a Major Power by 1033, by 1066 it was already eclipsed by the power of Castilian and Leonesse.
Yeah, but I said significant power, not major power; the signs of its terminal decline were not yet visible. And it continued to do its part against the Moors until the frontier was closed off by the acquisitions of its neighbouring Christian kingdoms.
Did Navarre Always have king of French Descent? I seem to remember reading that in the Basque History of the World.
Always is a strong word...
I guess it depends on how you define French descent... Navarra, or the 'Kingdom of Pamplona', were under Frankish domination in the early 9th century, then broke away under Iñigio Arista who became king c.824. The following kings have very Spanish-sounding names, but I expect they have at least some Frensh ancestry... The French really came to power with the accession of Thibaut I of the house of Champagne in 1234 (son of count Thibaut III of C. ).
Joan II of Aragon was king of Navarra 1425-79, followed for a brief period (<1 year) by his daughter Eleanore, before the crown again returned to a French dynasty with Eleanore's grandson Francis of the house of Foix.
No relation to Philippe Thibaut?
On a similar note, in my capacity as checkout scum I once served a Greek customer with the surname PALAEOLOGOS. How cool is that?
On a similar note, in my capacity as checkout scum I once served a Greek customer with the surname PALAEOLOGOS. How cool is that?
Originally posted by Havard
Always is a strong word...
I guess it depends on how you define French descent... Navarra, or the 'Kingdom of Pamplona', were under Frankish domination in the early 9th century, then broke away under Iñigio Arista who became king c.824. The following kings have very Spanish-sounding names, but I expect they have at least some Frensh ancestry... The French really came to power with the accession of Thibaut I of the house of Champagne in 1234 (son of count Thibaut III of C. ).
Joan II of Aragon was king of Navarra 1425-79, followed for a brief period (<1 year) by his daughter Eleanore, before the crown again returned to a French dynasty with Eleanore's grandson Francis of the house of Foix.
Thanks for the Info
I read a very brief blurb about it in that book I mentioned above also one other thing did the King of Navarre speak Basque at all? Hey Concerning the Paleolgi I know one of the descendants is buried in Britain of all places I got it at home in a book I know his gravestone has the double headed eagle on it. (ARGH IF ONLY I HAD ACCESS TO MY LIBRARY BEING TRAPPED AT WORKLAND )
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I vaguely remember seeing the grave as a lad. Something tells me it was at Stratford, could be wrong.
I vaguely remember seeing the grave as a lad. Something tells me it was at Stratford, could be wrong.
Originally posted by ComteDeMeighan
Hey Concerning the Paleolgi I know one of the descendants is buried in Britain of all places I got it at home in a book I know his gravestone has the double headed eagle on it. (ARGH IF ONLY I HAD ACCESS TO MY LIBRARY BEING TRAPPED AT WORKLAND
If you find a pfoto or something else about the grave of Paleologous in Britain please share with us!
Thanks
Considering the title of the thread, is it really correct to call Navarra a Basque kingdom? Wasn't it more of a Latin Kingdom with a population largely of basque subjects?
The kingdom of Navarra was the closest thing to a Basque state that ever existed. However, I believe (I'm not %100 sure) that the language of the court was Castillian.
the kingdom of naarra was a complex mix
of basque-speaking peoples in the mountanious north, romanised/arabised people in the Ebro basin (south) and the today "Basque" lands of Guipuzcoa & Alava (until the XIIth century) in the west. to that you should add the cities inhabited mainly by "francos" (gascons and frenchies coming from the north of the Pirineos).
of course the aristocracy would speak latin, gascon/french in the north and romance (close to castilian) in the south and the west.
of basque-speaking peoples in the mountanious north, romanised/arabised people in the Ebro basin (south) and the today "Basque" lands of Guipuzcoa & Alava (until the XIIth century) in the west. to that you should add the cities inhabited mainly by "francos" (gascons and frenchies coming from the north of the Pirineos).
of course the aristocracy would speak latin, gascon/french in the north and romance (close to castilian) in the south and the west.
Im sure my girlfriend mentioned basque kings (she's from Tolosa), surely to be a king you must have a kingdom
Were there small kingdoms or Dukedoms within Navarra?
Were there small kingdoms or Dukedoms within Navarra?
Well, the "basquenesss" of Navarre has been a hotly contested politicial issue in the last century. i am sure that your girlfriend "tolosarra" has a clear opinion on that but some Navarrese would be totally outraged by this statement.
but some Navarrese would be totally outraged by this statement.