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Bocaj said:
Holland at the start is fine as long as they don't have any maps or freebies.

Of course a benevolent naval sucker might give them some maps, you can never predict these things.
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Holland WILL be needing extra (early) explorers if she's released from start.

for two reasons:

1) they were actually exploring/travelling to the new world already when they were still considered Spanish
2) they won't be getting Spanish maps if they are played from start (neither would they if the Austrians kept the territory, and then had to release them, though)
 
Hi alive again after summer so if you need sub you can sing me as one I ques I could start lookng for game again better do it slowly and this sounds nice game to be sub for :)
 
ForzaA said:
Holland WILL be needing extra (early) explorers if she's released from start.

for two reasons:

1) they were actually exploring/travelling to the new world already when they were still considered Spanish
2) they won't be getting Spanish maps if they are played from start (neither would they if the Austrians kept the territory, and then had to release them, though)
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i can start sayng simular claims historicle lowlands and flandern was habsburg/spanish till revolt shouldn't i get them or atleast flemish including admirals/generals till the period spain historicle lost flandren ? :rolleyes:
 
Burgundy wasn't formally annexed by Spain until 1548, so there is an argument for them to exist in 1520, as a Spanish vassal with the same King (much like Scotland was to England during the 17th century). They should not have Spanish maps though - you might as well let Austria have Spanish maps as well.

On the other hand, if people can prove there were explorers from the area, then they should be included in the Burgundy file. I guess when the time comes the Burgundy player can choose to release the Netherlands as a vassal and play as them at that point on.
 
admiral drake said:
i can start sayng simular claims historicle lowlands and flandern was habsburg/spanish till revolt shouldn't i get them or atleast flemish including admirals/generals till the period spain historicle lost flandren ? :rolleyes:
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If they fought/explored/contributed/.. for Spain/Austria, certainly.
 
Holland was also taxed and ruled over by the Spanish, and had to fight a gruelling war for their independence. I would also like to hear which colonies Holland colonised while still apart of Spain.
 
Rezag said:
Hi alive again after summer so if you need sub you can sing me as one I ques I could start lookng for game again better do it slowly and this sounds nice game to be sub for :)
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Perfect, i wont be able to give you a perm spot as the situation looks know though. But i'll let you know if that changes.
Nice to have you back Rezag :)
 
juv95hrn said:
I can play Brandenburg and I won't mention this once the campaign starts for sure but is there any other player that want's to trade nation please feel free to contact me and Fredrik for discussion.
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Yes, anyone feels like switching to Brandenburg?

juv95hrn said:
Another thing. I think human mughals are a bad idea wince they will easily close the Siberian corridor and become too powerful in their AI dominated region. Persia, if not chosing to become an eternal vassal of the OE, is a better choice but I'm not sure.
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Indeed, it'll be Persia and not mughals for Pibe.
 
I think we perhaps should not have Holland from the start, rather than giving them freebies such as early explorers etc, unless someone can actually find a Dutch/Flemish explorer for the 1520-1580 time period.
 
PJL said:
I think we perhaps should not have Holland from the start, rather than giving them freebies such as early explorers etc, unless someone can actually find a Dutch/Flemish explorer for the 1520-1580 time period.
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The historical point of view here is irrelevant, the purpose with giving them a early explorer is to give them a chance to join the early colonization.

I'm open to do the same with Venice, Denmark and Sweden as they are all potential colonisers. In fact that is what i will do if the Dutch will start with one.
 
Fredrik82 said:
The historical point of view here is irrelevant, the purpose with giving them a early explorer is to give them a chance to join the early colonization.

I'm open to do the same with Venice, Denmark and Sweden as they are all potential colonisers. In fact that is what i will do if the Dutch will start with one.
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What time period would this be looking at?
 
PJL said:
I think we perhaps should not have Holland from the start, rather than giving them freebies such as early explorers etc, unless someone can actually find a Dutch/Flemish explorer for the 1520-1580 time period.
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flemish uber explorer is 1530ish-->1590iirc....
 
Bocaj, i digged up some good info about population in Europe at 1500 and 1600 lines. There are different sort of info, meaning towns inhabitans (which EU shows) and village inhabitans. Some more detailed information about Iberia and main capitals city population growth.
Would you need this sort of info ?
 
Fredrik82 said:
The historical point of view here is irrelevant, the purpose with giving them a early explorer is to give them a chance to join the early colonization.

I'm open to do the same with Venice, Denmark and Sweden as they are all potential colonisers. In fact that is what i will do if the Dutch will start with one.
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In that case that would be the best scenario.
 
Fredrik82 said:
Spain-Portugal-England-France got a explorer in 1520s, their early advantage should stay. Perhaps in the 1530-40s Holland-Denmark-Sweden-Venice can have the first explorer. Thoughts?
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Having them from 1540 onwards sounds like a good idea.
 
Giving them explorers from 1540 would put France at a definite disadvantage from the start as they don't really get explorers that early even.

@ Tonio. I'd love to take a look at those.
 
Holland is fairly pointless if you give them NO early explorers and NO maps to start off with. (atleast Denmark/Sweden have each other to fight, Venice has Italy to unite.. squable with OE etc.)


Certainly, I do believe that Denmark/Sweden/Venice are deserving of some explorers too (DAN and SWE less so than VEN, though)


..hmm.. now THAT's positive, I start arguing that Holland should get some extra explorers, and you maneuvre the discussion so that I can try for some explorers for me too :D
 
Bocaj said:
Giving them explorers from 1540 would put France at a definite disadvantage from the start as they don't really get explorers that early even.

@ Tonio. I'd love to take a look at those.
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40s, 50s... don't REALLY care about the exact time, but I do think Holland (and DAN, SWE, VEN ) needs some early explorers - the explorers they get in the late 16th century did NOT start exploring just west of Ireland, the Canaries etc.


...though the *key* problem is ofcourse not that some countries get their explorers late, but rather that the early colonisers can claim FAR more already than they could IRL.
 
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