Black Death

[hjarg]

I was just wondering- is there any event representing the Black Death started 1347?
I think most of you know what it was, so i don't go into details...
Just thinking- not much chance for wars in that period, most of the land abandoned, cities died out. Severe severe consequences.

 

[Damocles]

The Hundred Year War progressed well enough..

 

[unmerged(4679)]

I think most peopel would stop playing before 1350 if it is simulated realistic. Stability drop, increases revolt risk, loose of 1/3 of the population.

 

[Jos Theelen]

Originally posted by Galadriel
I think most peopel would stop playing before 1350 if it is simulated realistic. Stability drop, increases revolt risk, loose of 1/3 of the population.

Not if you can start playing EU with the endfile from CK. In that case we have to play on until 1419.

 

[Norgesvenn]

Oh, I want the Black Plague to come in realistically, all right.

No medieval game would be complete without it, would it? It's importance was not just on the economy and population, but on the whole perception of who we were as humans.

 

[unmerged(2833)]

What about a slightly less deterministic plague? It doesn't have to happen exactly in 1347 (though it wouldn't make sense if it would happen in XII century)

 

[Winkelried]

Originally posted by DarthMaur
What about a slightly less deterministic plague? It doesn't have to happen exactly in 1347 (though it wouldn't make sense if it would happen in XII century)

Actually I think there was a minor one in the 12th century, could be wrong however.

 

[unmerged(2833)]

Originally posted by Winkelried


Actually I think there was a minor one in the 12th century, could be wrong however.

Well, minor, thats it. The XIV century one was as hard because of overpopulation-in XII century situation was different, hence the minor one.

 

[Winkelried]

Originally posted by DarthMaur

Well, minor, thats it. The XIV century one was as hard because of overpopulation-in XII century situation was different, hence the minor one.

Yup. But if you rule a large kingdom/empire and you're successful, you could get the 14th century plague in the 12th. Maybe the lethality (is that even a word?) of the plague should be determined by population density/urbanization and infrastructure level, not a certain year.

 

[unmerged(2833)]

Originally posted by Winkelried


Yup. But if you rule a large kingdom/empire and you're successful, you could get the 14th century plague in the 12th. Maybe the lethality (is that even a word?) of the plague should be determined by population density/urbanization and infrastructure level, not a certain year.

Hmm. I don't think that demographic pattern would be affected by political changes at all...

 

[unmerged(255)]

Originally posted by DarthMaur

Hmm. I don't think that demographic pattern would be affected by political changes at all...

Well what if Genoans never manage to establish a presence on the Crimean peninsula? Then those damned rats can't make it to Italy, *poof* no Black Death in Western Europe!

ps: I know I'm over-simplifying, but it is a possibility

 

[hjarg]

Originally posted by tuna


Well what if Genoans never manage to establish a presence on the Crimean peninsula? Then those damned rats can't make it to Italy, *poof* no Black Death in Western Europe!

ps: I know I'm over-simplifying, but it is a possibility

I'd say the plague would just take a small de-tour, enjoy the countryside and eventually reach Atlantic ocean anyway

As long as there are people running from it...

 

[Winkelried]

Originally posted by hjarg


I'd say the plague would just take a small de-tour, enjoy the countryside and eventually reach Atlantic ocean anyway

As long as there are people running from it...

Which would certainly have a certain influence on the year it hits Western Europe.

 

[unmerged(255)]

Originally posted by Winkelried


Which would certainly have a certain influence on the year it hits Western Europe.

Not to mention the regions that are especially hard-hit IIRC, there were quite a few cities in Europe which were untouched by the Bubonic plague altogether.

 

[unmerged(6277)]

Originally posted by tuna


Not to mention the regions that are especially hard-hit IIRC, there were quite a few cities in Europe which were untouched by the Bubonic plague altogether.

IIRC, there were quite a few cities in Europe which were untouched by the Bubonic plague.

There was also an earlier thread that talked about how to simulate the BD. I think a tornado type model would work best and handle it like a series of events once it is triggered.

 

[unmerged(2833)]

Originally posted by Philj

IIRC, there were quite a few cities in Europe which were untouched by the Bubonic plague.

There was also an earlier thread that talked about how to simulate the BD. I think a tornado type model would work best and handle it like a series of events once it is triggered.

Hum? What is this tornado-type model?

 

[unmerged(6277)]

It goes along a path (randomised) and wherever it hits gets absolutely cobbered - it can jump over areas however.




Sad I'm teh only Airplane/Flying High fan here

 

[MacLeod]

Originally posted by Philj
It goes along a path (randomised) and wherever it hits gets absolutely cobbered - it can jump over areas however.

Can I march on those areas and spread the wealth? Probably not as no army would want to march after that, but what of my armies already in distant lands?

Am I immune from attack if my lands have the plague?

 

[unmerged(6277)]

Originally posted by MacLeod


Can I march on those areas and spread the wealth? Probably not as no army would want to march after that, but what of my armies already in distant lands?]

Not sure how you get to teh islands of safety but you could try.
I wonder if armies shouldn't be a catalyst for plague anyway. Wasn't one of teh ancient plagues spread by returning Roman soldiers?

Am I immune from attack if my lands have the plague?

I think armies in plague ravaged areas (including with a time lag and in neighbouring provinces [similar to rebels in neighbouring province adding to revolt risk] as well) should suffer significant attrition (either deaths or people slipping out overnight - teh effect is the same). That should make your provinces immune for all but the most stupid human player.

The AI can be programmed to avoid simply tehse areas.

 

[hjarg]

Or we could just send our soldiers to the plagued areas- defences are weaker and the victory is more certain.
Besides, if lucky, you could lawfully get rid of that bothersome Duke who just happens to be commander of that army