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It would work, I guess... because the way those two provinces are set up, the border would be either too far left or too far right...Sophianumg@mer said:
Given that the official name of the Weimar Republic was still "Deutsches Reich", I suggest a different name for the right-wing Germans. We could go for "Reich Preußen" or something like that.
Also, any particulars on East Asia? It would be nice is Korea was independent, at least nominally....
Also, any particulars on East Asia? It would be nice is Korea was independent, at least nominally....
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Kang Seung Jae said:Also, any particulars on East Asia? It would be nice is Korea was independent, at least nominally....
More info on that part coming soon
(Spoiler: I think the warlord club would like this mod very much )
I dont think it should be called Prussia,as it would be unplausible if they win and get to control all of Germany.Sophianumg@mer said:More info on that part coming soon
Sophianumg@mer said:More info on that part coming soon
*Amazed at how Korea's situation is similar to what I've thought*
Can you tell me Korea's IC? Given that Japan had heavily industrialized Northern Korea in the 1920's/1930's, I would say that it should surpass Manchukuo. Perhaps 25~30 IC should be accurate. Please send a screenshot of the Korean Government: I'll see how "historic" it is.
Also, I love how you managed to incorporate the chaos of Siberia into the various states. Siberia, FER, and the Baron...... Great Stuff.
Does the pink warlord next to the Nationalists Mao's Republic/Soviet of Hunan, by any chance?
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Kang Seung Jae said:
I'll upload a screenie with the Korean government later
FYI, Korea is paternal autocrat, and its ruler is emperor Euimin Yi.I don't know exactly what Korea's IC is, but I sort of copied it from the original 1936 scenario, so you're correct if you say 25~30 IC.
Thank you very much
Nope, it represents the Zhili Clique.
Here is a map with the flags of all new or altered factions in China and thereabouts:
BTW, I am thinking of implementing a communist faction in China. Does anyone have a suggestion? (I was thinking of the Fuijan Clique)
Sophianumg@mer said:I'll upload a screenie with the Korean government later
I don't know exactly what Korea's IC is, but I sort of copied it from the original 1936 scenario, so you're correct if you say 25~30 IC.
I'll help with the Korean government and such. I personally think Yi Euimin is a bad choice, given that he was in Japan... I say go for Prince Imperial Ui (Yi Gang) I'll see if I can get a picture of him in the 1930's.
Also, you COULD add a bit of southern manchuria to Korea, given that there was a lot of Korean immigrants to Gando/Jiando. Jilin and Liaoyuan would fit.
Sophianumg@mer said:Nope, it represents the Zhili Clique.
Here is a map with the flags of all new or altered factions in China and thereabouts:
Hmmm.... What's the country in Manchuria, and what's the other country with Dragon Flag?
Sophianumg@mer said:
Info from Wiki on the Hunan Soviet
You can use that, or the Soviet Republic of China
Feel free to contact me by PM on Eastern Asia. I'll see what I can find on Central Asia. The success of the Basmachi Revolt would have been interesting: A Pan-Turkic nationalist state.
Kang Seung Jae said:
OK I'll change that
The country in Manchuria is the Fengtian Clique. The dragon flagged country is the remainder of Imperial China
I think I'll go with that one
I'll certainly do that
Thank you for all the information on the far east. The history of this region is relatively unknown to me, so I appreciate any help here
Sophianumg@mer said:Thank you for all the information on the far east. The history of this region is relatively unknown to me, so I appreciate any help here
I might as well join this mod team as an "advisor". I'm bad at modding, but good with Alternate History
Kang Seung Jae said:I might as well join this mod team as an "advisor". I'm bad at modding, but good with Alternate History
Count yourself in
You're now "Researcher - Far East Section"
Sophianumg@mer said:Count yourself in
Thanks.
I've attempted to rewrite the history of Eastern Asia. I've chosen five main points of divergences:
1. Death of Grigory Seymonov
2. Kuomintang defeat in the Central Plains War
3. Success of the Yen Bai Mutiny.
4. Assassination of Takahashi Korekiyo
5. Korean Rebellion during the Manchurian Incident
History Summary
The weakness of the Red Army, combined with the death of Grigory Seymonov on one of his raids on the Trans-Siberian Railway, insured that the White Movement got enough supplies to continue resisting the Soviet Union. However, the various socialists in the Russian Far East threatened this position, and only by the creation of the buffer state of the Far Eastern Republic could the White Movement continue. Kolchak proclaimed the Republic of Siberia, and began industrializing in hope to fight against the Bolsheviks once more. Meanwhile, Roman Ungern von Sternberg, who had seized power in Mongolia back in 1920, continued on with his pursuit of pan-monarchist goals.
In the 20's China was plunged into civil war, as various warlords (Kuomintang, Anhui, Yunnan, Guominjun and more) fought for control. Although the Kuomintang consolidated power with the Northern Expedition, the defeat in the Central Plains War both bankrupted the Kuomintang and ensured that the Warlords would continue to possess their power, with pro-monarchists managing to receive Japanese aid and set up Pu Yi as a figurehead of an Imperial China and the Soviet Republic of China obtaining a firm foothold in Southern China
The success of the Indian rebel nations was the beginning of a small gulf of nationalism across East Asia. French Indochina rose up in revolt in 1930, as the success of the Yen Bai Mutiny spread across the Union. The Vietnamese gained independence and annexed Laos while Siam regained their empire in Cambodia.
Meanwhile in Japan, the Empire had not been able to overcome the hard times of the Great Depression. The assassination of Takahashi Korekiyo by a radical military officer for his fiscal policies involving reduction of military expenditures, prolonged the recovery of the economy. This resulted in a polarization of the ideologies in Japan, with a growth in the communist movement.
The Manchurian Incident seemed to be the end of the tunnel for Japan, as the Kwantung Army began their invasion of Manchuria. However, they miscalculated a factor that turned what could have been a clean conquest into a nightmare: the Korean Rebellion. The various guerilla forces in southeastern Manchuria knew that it was only a matter of time before the Japanese conquest of Manchuria will threaten their position, so they decided to do a daring invasion of their homeland. When the Chosen Army of Japan sent half of their forces into Manchuria to help the Kwantung Army, the Korean forces struck. They managed to take over Northeastern Korea, sparking a massive rebellion centering on Prince Imperial Ui.
The Korean Rebellion was the runing point for the Japanese Empire on the Mainland. As Japan was forced to commit more troops into Korea and Manchuria to hold the line, more and more Japanese lost their faith in the government, leading to demonstrations and desertion. Roman Ungern von Sternberg seized the opportunity to absorb large portions of Inner Mongolia, and planned to attack the Japanese forces. Internal disorder hit Japan as many of the poorer in society were increasingly left behind in Japan’s futile wars, and the disability to contain the revolutionary forces rising up lead to a communist revolution hitting parts of the army.
The attempted communist revolution brought Japan to the breaking point, and so the Empire made a deal with the Koreans: The Korean Empire will be revived, and it will be in an alliance with Japan. Prince Imperial Ui accept the proposal, and so the Korean Empire was reborn. Meanwhile, Japan forced the Kwantung Army to stop their Manchurian advantures, and called back forces to stem out the communist rebellion. Japan succeeded, but came out of it in a weakened state.
The Korean Empire, enjoying its new freedom, moved to annex parts of Gando, where a Korean majority had been established due to Japanese rule. With the investments of the Japanese Zaibatsues, who did not want to risk their money on the rebellious Japanese workers, Korea continued on with its industrialization which started during the Japanese occupation. Although it is not the world power like Japan, it has certainly gained a place in the international community as a modern constitutional monarchy. It now works to "regain" territory that was disputed in 1712 with the former Qing Dynasty.
Korean Claims in red
Map
Comment: Changed the land a bit for Manchuria/Korea. I've erased the Zhili Clique because it got completely absorbed by the Kuomintang due to the betrayal of Feng Yuxiang, the leader of the Guominjun. I've also added the Soviet Republic of China (The red in China, south of Kuomintang).
Capital Changes
Fengtian clique: Mukden
Imperial China: Qingdao
Kuomintang: Nanjing
Chinese Soviet: Ganzhou
Far Eastern Republic: Chita
Flag of the Soviet Republic of China
PS: I'm thinking that you might want a Communist Japan, but I really can't see a way for that to happen, short of outside influence.
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Kang Seung Jae said:
Really great story (though I edited some parts if you don't mind
) I left out the China part, because I would like to see China completely fractured, as if there is a stalemate between the warlords. Besides, in this timeline, Imperial China was never really "gone". Also, I made the Kuomintang be at war with the Chinese Soviet Republic at the start of the scenario.
Korean Claims in red
Nice
Map
Comment: Changed the land a bit for Manchuria/Korea. I've erased the Zhili Clique because it got completely absorbed by the Kuomintang due to the betrayal of Feng Yuxiang, the leader of the Guominjun. I've also added the Soviet Republic of China (The red in China, south of Kuomintang).
I already edited the map a little bit. I'll post a screenshot as soon as possible
Sophianumg@mer said:Really great story (though I edited some parts if you don't mind
Nice
I already edited the map a little bit. I'll post a screenshot as soon as possible
sinkiang was created by Soviet intervention after the First East Turkestan Republic fell in 1934. with no Soviets in region, no FETR / sinkinag. maybe should be part of Xibei San Ma
Sophianumg@mer said:Really great story (though I edited some parts if you don't mind
Well, my story does result in a stalemate between the warlords. The Central Plains War showed that the Kuomintang was still weak, and if they had lost that conflict, the warlords would have gotten away with a lot of power.
Plus, I've split China so that the warlords have evenly divided the facotries, with Kuomintang and the Chinese Soviet having a bit more.
Anyway, we'll see how it works out.
Sophianumg@mer said:
If you still want a communist Japan, I say that we should start moving the Japanese capitalists to Korea
That should explain why the former colony is more powerful than in our world: the capitalists managed to escape the Islands with their factories, technology, and money!
Shadow Dragon said:
Not really, given that history changed courses since 1917 in this world.
BTW, do you have an overall idea of the alliances in this world? I was thinking of this format for East Asia:
Imperialists: Korea, Imperial China (Korean puppet), Sibera, (Mongolia)
Kuomintang: Kuomintang, Yunnan, Fengtian, Xibei San Ma
Warlord Coalition: Shanxi, Guominjun, Guanxi
Comintern: RSFSR, Japan, (Communist China)
Indochina: I'm not sure how Laos can gain independence..... The most possible situation is a greater Vietnam that has the entire Indochina Union except for Cambodia.
I'll work on Korea's ministers, generals, tech teams, etc. As for Japan's tech teams, you should consider important the PRRS tech teams.
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