Brandenburg and wendish culture

[yourworstnightm]

If we are goingt to introdeuce a pagan Brandenburg, we should introduce wendish culture too. Historical there was a significant wendish population in Brandenburg far in on our timeline. I can't see pagan germans in 1419, but I can see a wendish principal that has managed to survive since they have for a long time collaborated with the germans and the poles and often played them against eachother. Also then we could revive Denmark's old claim on the kingdom of Wendia and give them cores in Pommeranis to upset the Hansa. Also christian wends in Vorpommern should be able to revolt from the hansa, and if there are a sucessful revolt, the province would get wendish culture. Kalmar Union should also get Wendish culture if they go for the Kingdom of Wendia (for them Vorpommern and Hinterpommern).

 

[unmerged(21937)]

Pagan Brandenburg? :wacko:

 

[unmerged(30761)]

Well wends are hardly different from poles, they are Sorbs, at least in language. i can read it and there is some nice silesian writing.

As for having a pagan in the middle of europe. well, given that the neighbours are TO i would seriously doubt anyone would blink should they try to crusade against them on any given sunday.

Pagan "culture" as such would have a snowball's chance in hell between Bohemia, Poland, TO and Hansa, and Kalamar.

See for yourself in real history. I mean in their neighbours view they were saving them from damnation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendish_Crusade

 

[yourworstnightm]

Someone was working on a pagan Brandenburg, and I personally like the idea although I know it would be imidiately crushed of course. The thing is I like to have wendish culture in. First it give Kalmar a good reason for expanding in Pommerania, second it create a void that can be conquered by anyone, and by that change the course of abe history. Another interresting thing would be to have a christian wendish state there, but that would destroy the whole void idea.
There was also earlier talkl about changing TOs lithuanian provinces to pagan religon, since there never has been a close olicy between poles and lithuanians and though the order had a much easier job to crush the lithuanian empire.

 

[Incompetent]

There was also earlier talkl about changing TOs lithuanian provinces to pagan religon, since there never has been a close olicy between poles and lithuanians and though the order had a much easier job to crush the lithuanian empire.

Yep. 3 or 4 Lithuanian provinces will now start Pagan.

As for Brandenburg, I think we can agree that giving it Pagan state religion would cause serious problems. Make it a B option in events perhaps, for players who are feeling particularly masochistic. But it might still start with Pagan provinces, though in this case I don't know how long the culture would survive. I see nothing wrong with giving a Wendish Brandenburg Polish culture if people think that's close enough, or we could have a new Wendish culture if it's likely to be worth it. I've also suggested BB could be part of a major stretching into Scandinavia, as a way of breaking up the usual geographical divisions, but I don't know if that's particularly plausible.

 

[yourworstnightm]

Hmm, yeah it could be best to have Brandenburg start catholic (but with pagan provinces, and a funny b option in an event for these wanting an hardcore game). Since Kalmar should get the claims on Wendia, I must oppose merging wendish and polish culture (I don't want to see a Kalmar with polish culture). Brandenburg could start with german and wendish culture, and wendish- pagan provinces.

 

[unmerged(21937)]

Having Pagan Brandenburg would be a smack at game logic's face, since there is strong TO in Abe and TO historically warred every Pagan realm it could find. Historically only Lithuania survived TO and that was because they beat TO in war.

Pagan provinces might do, though you'd need a plausible story for it. TO wasn't tolerant of pagans at all and therefore you need some explanation why TO didn't have free reign at the Pagan Wends. And also why Wends were able to resist conversion and colonization by Germans.

 

[unmerged(16159)]

Having Pagan Brandenburg would be a smack at game logic's face, since there is strong TO in Abe and TO historically warred every Pagan realm it could find. Historically only Lithuania survived TO and that was because they beat TO in war.

Pagan provinces might do, though you'd need a plausible story for it. TO wasn't tolerant of pagans at all and therefore you need some explanation why TO didn't have free reign at the Pagan Wends. And also why Wends were able to resist conversion and colonization by Germans.

Steady on.

Having a pagan Brandenburg was a concept by me as an Aberration, and a way of dealing with Hinterpommern, which Hansa don't start with as a core province.

ITRW HInterpommern and Brandenburg were still pagan until late in the 1300s. The Aberrated history has these pagans being led by a strong leader (King Grog the Literate ?), and surviving until - say mid 1400's. Yes, they would become a target for the TO. But this is a minor we are talking about, not a potential player nation. They might have 3 events, total.

But if it's too difficult for everyone to imagine, then leave them as catholic germans, and let Hungary and Bavaria absorb them as usual. I don't think it's that important, and perhaps there is enough going on ion germany already. At some point we have to stop working on ideas, and start the process of finishing this version of Abe. Not that I can talk....



I had been trying to work in a "Berlin traders joins Hansa" event should Bradenburg still exists by the late 1400s, but really, the expectation is that they get absorbed, but by someone other than Bavaria.

I thought Brandenburg might be pagan tech group, but could be a non-colonisable nation with a distinct (and doomed) culture - say Wendish, lovely idea - and perhaps any primitive religion.

Having Kalmar and TO cores on Hinterpommern is a good idea, but the ReAberrated Hansa wouldn't have cores on it. Brandenburg as Hansa core, following certain events, yes, but not Hinterpommern.

 

[yourworstnightm]

Would perhaps still be better to let them start catholic (but with pagan provinces) (since we have a Teutonic Order, I don't see a surviving pagan nation in the north) but even though the country is ruled by catholic wendish and german princes, must of the population never converted (there were pagans in the 1300s irl), the we have an b or c option in an event that grant the throne to a pagan prince, causing a crusade from TO. If they stay catholic the provinces will slowly convert in the mid 1500s. Kalmar Union would anyway, whatever choice they make try to get a foothold in Pommerania, revoking their claim on the kingdom of Wendia. (Vorpommern should be able to ge wendish culture if conquered). Brandenburg could start with brandenburg, Kustrin and Hinterpommern. The Hansa would naturally get interrested in Brandenburg if they choose an eastern path of expansion.