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If you get approval and do run a vote, then you had better offers us a full ballot sheet.

In particular you still have to explain about the "Ban Offshore Oil and Gas Drilling and Vaping in Enclosed Indoor Workplaces Amendment". Are you trying to ban offshore oil and gas drilling in enclosed indoor workplaces? If so can you carry on offshore oil and gas drilling inside enclosed indoor workplaces, provided you don't vape at the same time? Inquiring minds need to know.

Not just for Parliament either. Local elections (could potentially be in an alternative world) important too!

Now readers may be wondering why El Pip is being pedantic here. Whilst it is true that anyone with a firm grasp of the English language can understand that the bill in practice appears to be about the banning of offshore oil and gas drilling, and the banning of vaping in enclosed indoor workplaces, this is not in fact relevant. It doesn't even matter that most computers would read it as such.

No, it needs to be absolutely crystal clear because lawyers and politicians will either not approve it or abuse the heck out of it as it stands. And if you don't think that happens, look up the Factory Acts on Wikipedia. Thirty one years and three attempts to pass the same bill, and until the end of the century to get it to apply to everyone.
 
Not just for Parliament either. Local elections (could potentially be in an alternative world) important too!

Now readers may be wondering why El Pip is being pedantic here. Whilst it is true that anyone with a firm grasp of the English language can understand that the bill in practice appears to be about the banning of offshore oil and gas drilling, and the banning of vaping in enclosed indoor workplaces, this is not in fact relevant. It doesn't even matter that most computers would read it as such.

No, it needs to be absolutely crystal clear because lawyers and politicians will either not approve it or abuse the heck out of it as it stands. And if you don't think that happens, look up the Factory Acts on Wikipedia. Thirty one years and three attempts to pass the same bill, and until the end of the century to get it to apply to everyone.
Or for a more modern example, a recent $5million US court case about milk float drivers and overtime for various activities.

I must also put on the record that it is no way clear that the amendment title is about two separate things, certainly under English Law that title would never be interpreted that way. At best it would be declared ambiguous, more likely it would draw the conclusion I have unless there was strong compelling evidence in the amendment to suggest otherwise (speeches and debates in parliament don't count, on the reasonable grounds that the courts assume no-one listens to them and people just read the final law.)

I hesitate to suggest it, given our hosts... ballistic... approach to spelling and grammar, but as the article suggest (and as TBC used) the oft ignored Oxford Comma would assist in resolving the ambiguity. But then so would a thorough redraft of the amendment, while bearing in mind that being crystal clear in one's meaning is a noble and valuable aim in almost any endeavour, not just those that involve lawyers and politicians.
 
I don't know why Florida has a crazy ballot question, presumably the group who proposed the question actually wanted one of the parts to pass (and didn't care about the other one) attached it to the other part which was popular

E.G. My citizens group/lobbyist/tobacco company wants to ban Vaping in the workplace, and we believe that banning offshore drilling is very popular in Florida. So we bundle them together in the hope that the offshore drilling ban can carry the (presumably) less popular Vaping in the workplace ban over the line

Also we come to our first vote:

In 1931 the village of Crumpsall (just north of Manchester now part of Manchester) must have a by-election to fill the council seat of the late Herbet Wigglesworth, the council has nine seats devided 4 and 4 between the conservatives and labour so this election will decide who control the council

The election will mainly be fought on the issue of weather scones should be offered during council meetings. Before the depression scones were offered free of charge to all attending council meetings, however during the depression hundreds of people would turn up to council meetings for the free food, it got so bad that the council had to move to a larger building (with much higher rent) for meetings

The options:

1. Able Adams (Conservative, believes that the scones are getting out of hand and will bankrupt the council)
2. Bobby Charlton (Labour, believes that the scones provide an important source of nourishment to the poor and that taxes can be increased to pay for it)
3. Callum Collridge (Liberal, believes he can win on the votes of people who can't make up their minds between the conservatives and labour, believes in scones for some but not for all)
4. George Farmer (Independent Scone Conservative, believes that scones provide an important reference point for old people and should be continued, also old people should get free doctors visits)

Voting ends at the end of the week, ties will be broken by coin toss, happy voting
 
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I'm reluctantly voting 2. but only because there is no candidate who is suggesting this:
The nationalisation of the local scone-baking industry so the council may hold it's meetings in the bakery.
Unemployed people may be drafted into the bakery and paid in scones to keep labour costs as low as possible, minor criminal offenders may spend part of their sentence baking scones.
Excess scone production will be sold at a profit to neighbouring villages, which have to pay their bakers full wages.
People who buy scones from other villages, or eat them in public will be named and shamed in the village paper.
Bonds will be sold to finance the nationalisation at acceptable terms to the bakers, the village expects to pay them back with the proceeds from scone sales.
Essentially, scones for all, and who cares if the financials make sense.
 
Or for a more modern example, a recent $5million US court case about milk float drivers and overtime for various activities.

I must also put on the record that it is no way clear that the amendment title is about two separate things, certainly under English Law that title would never be interpreted that way. At best it would be declared ambiguous, more likely it would draw the conclusion I have unless there was strong compelling evidence in the amendment to suggest otherwise (speeches and debates in parliament don't count, on the reasonable grounds that the courts assume no-one listens to them and people just read the final law.)

I hesitate to suggest it, given our hosts... ballistic... approach to spelling and grammar, but as the article suggest (and as TBC used) the oft ignored Oxford Comma would assist in resolving the ambiguity. But then so would a thorough redraft of the amendment, while bearing in mind that being crystal clear in one's meaning is a noble and valuable aim in almost any endeavour, not just those that involve lawyers and politicians.

I expect the law would be slapped down from the Lords at least for this reason, if it even got to the Commons (if it got through Committee it would be strange). Plus the law's title actually doesn't mean squat in British politics or legal proceedings, since for the most part, to avoid exactly this kind of issue, they give them numbers and dates instead. So whilst it might be called this (for whatever reason) as a title, it would not be referred to as such in Parliament by that name nor would it have much bearing on proceedings other than maybe a debate point (a pretty good one if past examples are any measure) that the friends of the bill don't know what they want or are deceiving the House. See, for specific example, the 1819 Factory Act which was billed as an 'amendment' to the 1802 bill, but opposition quickly denounced that as at best misleading and at worse complete lies.

[The two acts mentioned above by the way were focused on child labour in the cotton industry. Apparently someone thought that the government should not only defend the working conditions and hours of apprentices (which they had to do as they were wards of the state already) but protect all other children as well. This of course was so ridiculously controversial that it helped begin the process that destroyed a political party and gave rise not only to the modern Conservative party but the origins of the welfare state as well. Isn't history weird?]

vaping ... wat??? (quick lookup on the oracle) oh another form of smoking.

A damn annoying one at that. Since it's water vapour being expelled, depending on room size it can actually rather quickly change the humidity of a room. If say at a party a few of these 'people' are at a table vaping, it's like breathing soup.

I don't know why Florida has a crazy ballot question, presumably the group who proposed the question actually wanted one of the parts to pass (and didn't care about the other one) attached it to the other part which was popular

E.G. My citizens group/lobbyist/tobacco company wants to ban Vaping in the workplace, and we believe that banning offshore drilling is very popular in Florida. So we bundle them together in the hope that the offshore drilling ban can carry the (presumably) less popular Vaping in the workplace ban over the line

Also we come to our first vote:

In 1931 the village of Crumpsall (just north of Manchester now part of Manchester) must have a by-election to fill the council seat of the late Herbet Wigglesworth, the council has nine seats devided 4 and 4 between the conservatives and labour so this election will decide who control the council

The election will mainly be fought on the issue of weather scones should be offered during council meetings. Before the depression scones were offered free of charge to all attending council meetings, however during the depression hundreds of people would turn up to council meetings for the free food, it got so bad that the council had to move to a larger building (with much higher rent) for meetings

The options:

1. Able Adams (Conservative, believes that the scones are getting out of hand and will bankrupt the council)
2. Bobby Charlton (Labour, believes that the scones provide an important source of nourishment to the poor and that taxes can be increased to pay for it)
3. Callum Collridge (Liberal, believes he can win on the votes of people who can't make up their minds between the conservatives and labour, believes in scones for some but not for all)
George Farmer (Independent Scone Conservative, believes that scones provide an important reference point for old people and should be continued, also old people should get free doctors visits)

Voting ends at the end of the week, ties will be broken by coin toss, happy voting

Did this voting get approved? Mr. C usually puts a comment on...

What are these weather scones and depression scones you speak of? Surely they could export such unique products to pay for this overhead? Why, That George Farmer probably already has a plan for that, and he's an independent conservative too (meaning he's so off the wall civil servants will do everything for him) which is a bonus. Since this isn't mentioned anywhere else, I'm going to assume the other candidates are against free doctor visits for the elderly and therefore indicate they are what you might call 'heartless bastards'. So yeah, Farmer vote for increased exports and being nice to the elderly.
 
I expect the law would be slapped down from the Lords at least for this reason, if it even got to the Commons (if it got through Committee it would be strange). Plus the law's title actually doesn't mean squat in British politics or legal proceedings, since for the most part, to avoid exactly this kind of issue, they give them numbers and dates instead. So whilst it might be called this (for whatever reason) as a title, it would not be referred to as such in Parliament by that name nor would it have much bearing on proceedings other than maybe a debate point (a pretty good one if past examples are any measure) that the friends of the bill don't know what they want or are deceiving the House. See, for specific example, the 1819 Factory Act which was billed as an 'amendment' to the 1802 bill, but opposition quickly denounced that as at best misleading and at worse complete lies.
I regret to inform you that in legal proceedings the law's title can matter. If a provision of the law is unclear, and let's be honest the evidence suggests that if @Hightemplar drafted it then it will be unclear ( :D ), then the judge has to interpret it. The English courts lean heavily towards the Purposive Approach, that is to say determining what the purpose of the law was and considering that in which possible interpretation to use. There was a big case on it last year, HMRC vs some tax dodgers that got to the Supreme Court on that exact point, as you may guess HMRC won as they convinced the judge that their interpretation aligned with the purpose of the act and any inexact wording should be resolved in their favour.

As the courts heavily discourage parliamentary debate from being admissible (not least because no 'reasonable' person is expected to watch it, but you can be expected to read a law), then the written word of the law itself it key. You would hope the preamble would make the aim clear, it does for most other legislation, but I fear in this case it would not.
 
In 1931 the village of Crumpsall (just north of Manchester now part of Manchester) must have a by-election to fill the council seat of the late Herbet Wigglesworth, the council has nine seats devided 4 and 4 between the conservatives and labour so this election will decide who control the council

The election will mainly be fought on the issue of weather scones should be offered during council meetings. Before the depression scones were offered free of charge to all attending council meetings, however during the depression hundreds of people would turn up to council meetings for the free food, it got so bad that the council had to move to a larger building (with much higher rent) for meetings

The options:

1. Able Adams (Conservative, believes that the scones are getting out of hand and will bankrupt the council)
2. Bobby Charlton (Labour, believes that the scones provide an important source of nourishment to the poor and that taxes can be increased to pay for it)
3. Callum Collridge (Liberal, believes he can win on the votes of people who can't make up their minds between the conservatives and labour, believes in scones for some but not for all)
George Farmer (Independent Scone Conservative, believes that scones provide an important reference point for old people and should be continued, also old people should get free doctors visits)

Voting ends at the end of the week, ties will be broken by coin toss, happy voting
After due consideration I think it has to be Adams. Free Scones will bankrupt the council and he at least has a plan for tackling this vital issue. I worry about Farmer having non-scone based policies and recommend he be investigated by the relevant authorities.
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I didn't write the ballot measure. It is from Florida's ballot for the upcoming midterms (source https://www.ballotpedia.org/Florida_2018_ballot_measures). It does not need to pass muster based on English law (only American) or even pass the Florida statehouse (that's kind of the point), I think I will chalk it up to stupid Americans and leave it at that

Oh and BTW, Florida rules so one vote per day (submit your ballot measures by PM )

The votes so far
Conservative: 1
Labour: 1
Liberal: 1
Independent Scone Conservative (ISC): 1

Early polling results show a close four horse race not usually seen out of Northern Ireland. There is a majority in favour of scones but thanks to FPP the anti scone side has a chance
 
My vote shall be for the Independent Scone Consevative, number 4. Scones are what keeps this council alive! Without scones, we would all be a part of Manchester.
 
In 1931 the village of Crumpsall (just north of Manchester now part of Manchester) must have a by-election to fill the council seat of the late Herbet Wigglesworth, the council has nine seats devided 4 and 4 between the conservatives and labour so this election will decide who control the council

The election will mainly be fought on the issue of weather scones should be offered during council meetings. Before the depression scones were offered free of charge to all attending council meetings, however during the depression hundreds of people would turn up to council meetings for the free food, it got so bad that the council had to move to a larger building (with much higher rent) for meetings

The options:

1. Able Adams (Conservative, believes that the scones are getting out of hand and will bankrupt the council)
2. Bobby Charlton (Labour, believes that the scones provide an important source of nourishment to the poor and that taxes can be increased to pay for it)
3. Callum Collridge (Liberal, believes he can win on the votes of people who can't make up their minds between the conservatives and labour, believes in scones for some but not for all)
4. George Farmer (Independent Scone Conservative, believes that scones provide an important reference point for old people and should be continued, also old people should get free doctors visits)

Voting ends at the end of the week, ties will be broken by coin toss, happy voting

I'll begin by lamenting the tragic departure of the esteemed Herbert Wigglesworth, whose name brought joy to newspaper readers in our dire times. Mr Wigglesworth (esq.) will be sorely missed, and one can only hope the echoes of his mighty voice will continue to be heard as Crumpsall's affairs are debated. In my humble opinion, no man other than the distinguished Mr Farmer can step into Mr Wigglesworth's shoes (hopefully, not during the open casket ceremony, though) and make Independent Sconism be heard.
 
The votes so far
Conservative: 1
Labour: 1
Liberal: 1
Independent Scone Conservative (ISC): 3

With only two days to go here is an analysis from the BBC's John Hunter:

George Farmer of the ISC party holds a strong lead driven by record elderly voter turnout and a coalescing of the pro scone vote behind one candidate, clearly denting labour's chances. The Tories have found that the audience for anti-scone conservative is smaller than they thought. The Liberals odds of winning grow longer by the day as more votes take sides on the scone issue
John Hunter, BBC news, Manchester



I have just realised that I did this when the UK was having its own council elections (hope you voted El Pip), I must also remember to not call the Liberals the Lib Dems

Only two days left, so get voting everyone (so far no one has taken advantage of their right to vote once a day)
 
Farmer again then (and yes i did vote in the locals).
 
It may be a broken system but still, it is a right worth keeping with.
 
And there is the small matter of your vote being worth two times as much (turnout is about half of what it was in the general election therefore everyone who did vote was twice as important)

Also how does it work (your local council elections seam to combined traditional weird stuff with the finest 21st century weird stuff)
 
Local council elections are first past the post, technically first xxx past the post. My ward elected 3 councillors, so I got 3 votes which I duly used, the top 3 candidates by votes cast got elected. As you would expect this led the main parties to all stand 3 candidates and lots of 'clean slate' wins where one party gets all the councillors in a ward. You can also have single member wards and probably there are some two member wards out there. Seems straightforward enough.

New Zealand elections are based around picking the prettiest sheep, correct?

Voting
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I must first repeat my ongoing complaint, why are the Independent Scone Conservatives allowed more than one policy, and one that isn't even scone based? This is clear electoral fraud.

On Collridge, can you clarify which of the 57 variety of inter-war Liberal he is? Liberal, Independent Liberal, National Liberal, Liberal National? What are his views on Scone Tariffs? Is he one of those Scone Free Trade heretics? Such madness will see the country flooded with inferior subsidised German pumpernickel, mark my words.

Vote Adams for an end to scone bankruptcy and a firm policy on Imperial Scone Preference (probably?)
 
Being an American (colonial to you pompous windbags), I stand with El Pip and vote for delicious delicious scones. Now, does one cut them open to eat or just apply butter on top?