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In case the impressions thread is used for that please transfer my post out there.

If not I think there should be a thread used to support the development of CORE even further by finding all the existng bugs and errors - a separate one to make it easy to read.


I will start with few of those I found and remember now.



Poland

Commision of SS - ORP Orzel and ORP Sep (both early 1939) are missing in naval dev. plan.

Japan

1941 Interceptor should be either Ki43II B Hayabusa ( now it is Ki44II B Hayabusa) or Ki44 Shoki.
 
cegorach said:
Poland

Commision of SS - ORP Orzel and ORP Sep (both early 1939) are missing in naval dev. plan..
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Has already been mentioned, but is not a bug. If these units had not been started by 1/1/1936, then they are not in the Naval Construction events. Same with any other vessel that had not been commenced (or, at the very least, ordered and some work started for it) by that date.

Tim
 
I think I found two more bugs in the models.csc:
1: line 939/940, Model_fra_5_5 follows after Model_fra_5_3 without a model 5_4 between them.

2: Maybe that isn't a bug, but in Core PzKpfw. VI (Panthers) appear first in 1945 (model_5_5), though they were already introduced in 1943 and 1945 the Ausf. D was already replaced with newer versions.
 
Sensemann said:
2: Maybe that isn't a bug, but in Core PzKpfw. VI (Panthers) appear first in 1945 (model_5_5), though they were already introduced in 1943 and 1945 the Ausf. D was already replaced with newer versions.
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In the game I'm currently playing as Germany, the Panzer Va (Panther) is listed as a 1943 medium tank, and the (nonexistent-in-real-life) "Panzer Vf" (Panther) is listed as a 1944 medium tank. I haven't looked at the models to see if they match the tank type.

In CORE, the German 1943 medium tank should be the Panzer Va and Panzer IVh, and the 1944 medium tank should be the Panzer Vg and the Panzer IVj.
 
Panthers weren't used in "divisional" size (IOW, an entire panzer regiment) until mid-to-late '44, and even after that it was rare to see more than one Panther battalion in a division (even in SS units). Prior to that time you'd see one battalion of Panthers out of division's 3 panzer battalions, with the other two being composed of Panzer III and/or IV. By the time the Panther came out, most panzer divisions were down to two regiments, instead of 3, and only one regiment was panzers (the other regiment being panzergrenadiers).
 
I was exploring the tech tree as USA by increasing the blueprint bonus to the point where everything is done in five days and using event 1012 a lot. I discovered that it is so far impossible to research the Jet CAGs, even when you have all the prerequisites on the Secret Weapons screen and have researched all the propeller CAGs. Is this a bug, or is there another prerequisite I have not discovered?

Also, after the events that enable the economic recovery techs you get a event telling you that "labor reform" is now available for research. This tech is actually available from the beginning.
 
Sensemann said:
I think I found two more bugs in the models.csc:
1: line 939/940, Model_fra_5_5 follows after Model_fra_5_3 without a model 5_4 between them.

2: Maybe that isn't a bug, but in Core PzKpfw. VI (Panthers) appear first in 1945 (model_5_5), though they were already introduced in 1943 and 1945 the Ausf. D was already replaced with newer versions.
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Hi,

1. WAD, FRA never produced anything like this due to the GER occupation.

2. WAD again. As mentioned below I'm looking at the majority tank type when I make naming decisions here. So the first "panther" Divisions are 1945 level.

Re: the comment about 1943/44 Medium tanks the Va and Vg are not different enough to merit a different model. The Vf model was in development at war end and represents what might have been:

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/pz4.htm#panther

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dec152000 said:
The Vf model was in development at war end and represents what might have been:

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/pz4.htm#panther
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Thanks for the link! It looks like a scaled-down Tiger II. ;)

BTW, the majority tank type (since that's what you say you're going by) found in 1943-44 frontline panzer divisions was the Panzer IVh/j, not the Panzer Vd/a/g. As I previously mentioned, most panzer divisions that were lucky enough to have any Panthers at all had a single battalion of them.

The PG Div Grossdeutschland panzer regiment in July '44 had 4 Panther companies in one Bn, 4 Panzer IV companies in a second Bn, and 3 Tiger I companies in a third Bn (source: pg.132 Squadron-Signal book).

The 9th Panzer Division TO&E and 11th Panzer Division TO&E show no Panthers at all in '43, and slightly less than half the division's tanks as Panthers in '44. Some SS units in '44 had a higher proportion of Panthers.
 
Hi,

Yes, So the Ger 1943 ARM is PzKpfw.IVg & PzKpfw.IIIn while the GER 1945 ARM is PzKpfw.Va & PzKpfw.IVh. Now in 1943 it is possible to attach a Battalion of PzKpfw.Va, but you can't build a full division of them.

Anyways, as much as I try for total accuracy any tech tree will be a compromise with exactly what it represents. The Armor Tree is loosely based on German AFV production, but it also has to model every other armor producing nation. As such, not everything fits in place perfectly. But I think it does a fairly accurate job of representing the various possibiliites for all of the nations involved.

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dec152000 said:
Yes, So the Ger 1943 ARM is PzKpfw.IVg & PzKpfw.IIIn while the GER 1945 ARM is PzKpfw.Va & PzKpfw.IVh.
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Precisely (except that in '45 they'd be PzIVj, not 'h', though combat-wise there's virtually no difference between the 'h' and 'j' models). But the issue is that this is not what it shows in the game. It's an easy enough thing to fix the naming for the next release. ;) Currently in v0.3, it shows PzVa ('43) and PzVf ('44) as the primary models.

dec152000 said:
Anyways, as much as I try for total accuracy any tech tree will be a compromise with exactly what it represents. The Armor Tree is loosely based on German AFV production, but it also has to model every other armor producing nation. As such, not everything fits in place perfectly. But I think it does a fairly accurate job of representing the various possibiliites for all of the nations involved.
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Oh, indeed you have. I'm just nitpicking about the names for the armor models when playing Germany. :p
 
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Hi,

While an actual division would mainly be somewhat older tanks I assess that independent type units & overstrength divisions that the attachable Medium Tank Battalion models as having the latest technology available. So for instance a run of the mill Heer Pz Division in 1944 might just be the IVg & PzKpfw.IIIn. while an "elite" type unit would be IVg & PzKpfw.IIIn w/ a PzKpfw.Va or PzKpfw.VIe attachment.

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So, the armor tech screen reflects the models in an attachment brigade and not the main division?
 
Of course it is only nitpicking, but since we can't have different tanks for different nations due to the engine limitations of HOI II, I would like to have most accurate names for the tanks :D . And since there are now major bugs in core... ;)

But I'd still say that in 1945 there wouldn't have been Panthers in the Ausf. A anymore. Even the production of Ausf. D was stopped in mid 1943 and disqualified (thats the word my dictionary recommended me ;) ) by the higher command.
 
Sensemann said:
But I'd still say that in 1945 there wouldn't have been Panthers in the Ausf. A anymore. Even the production of Ausf. D was stopped in mid 1943 and disqualified (thats the word my dictionary recommended me ;) ) by the higher command.
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The Ausf. D for the Panther actually came before the Ausf. A - the D variant was rushed into production and was mechanically unreliable and suffered a number of other problems, too - hence why it was taken out of production so early. The Ausf. A is quite decent, but the Ausf. G was the main production model from early 1944 onwards. Ausf. D : 842 built (all in 1943), Ausf. A : 2192 built (mid 1943 - mid 1944), Ausf. G : 2953 (early 1944 - end war).

So, by 1945, it probably was the Ausf. G that was in main use, but I think there would have been a reasonable number of Ausf. A still around.

Tim
 
Since we have gotten down to the small detalis I would like to suggest a little change to the german reserve-div names to something like this:

Landwehr '30
Landwehr '35
Landwehr '39 or maybe Reserve '39
Volksgrenadier '43
Volksgrenadier '47

Building volksgrenadiers in the thirties feels a bit strange. :D

I also suggest the following names for rocket artillery:

15cm Nebelwerfer 41
21cm Nebelwerfer 42
30cm Raketenwerfer 56
40cm NebelWerfer

or maybe like this:

15cm Nebelwerfer 41
schweres Wurfgerät 40/41
21cm Nebelwerfer 42
30cm Raketenwerfer 56

It's not perfect but I think its' rather decent model names in comparision to time of availability and production numbers.
 
Observateur said:
I was exploring the tech tree as USA by increasing the blueprint bonus to the point where everything is done in five days and using event 1012 a lot. I discovered that it is so far impossible to research the Jet CAGs, even when you have all the prerequisites on the Secret Weapons screen and have researched all the propeller CAGs. Is this a bug, or is there another prerequisite I have not discovered?
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I have explored the tech files, and it appears the problem is that the first TJ CAG model has the most advanced propeller CAG as a prerequisite - but only if it is the variant that represents conversions from land-based types. If you are on the path of carrier-specific designs, you are prevented from researching jet CAGs. Surely this is not intended?

Also, I discovered that the "Rudimentary ATGM" tech remained crossed out, even though the prerequisites had been researched. Turned out this could be rectified by adding a missing line to the "Small guided missile" tech to activate it, like there were for ASM and SAM techs.
 
I just encountered the DoW madness galore which occurred sometimes with earlier versions of CORE. I was USSR (playing along peacefully and having some purges done) when Com Chi (!) DoWed me. Simultaneously Japan DoWed Germany and several countries DoWed Egypt which resulted in a universal state of war. I quit the game but didn't realise to make a save for you to see.
 
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