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Snall

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IF your a vassal and wish to leave the kingdom with your lands, can you do this without actually destryoing the king? Also, are there loyalty checks, if you can do it, for your vassals to the king??
 
Snall,

I hope it's a bit harder than simply pressing a button. ;)

Breaking vassalage would mean open warfare with the liege and, if there are petty vassals, possible civil war within one's own realm, not to mention la violencia with coequal and superior vassals.

It should be necessary either to obtain the leave of one's Sovereign (perhaps, at least in MP, as the great price of loyalty in a particularly nasty war) or to defeat him on the field.
 
well, the action of declaring that you no longer will be governed by a certain king should be easy to accomplish, the hard bit is defending your province(s) from you former liege. Who most defently would do his best to bring you back in the fold.
 
OF course, of course =-P

I just hope it isn't hard to begin that process.
 
Flemish count Gwijde van Dampierre told the French king (his liege) to bugger off and made agreements with the guilds to counter the patricians influence (who were keen on France),

the French king send his army to squash the rebels and the French cavalry was defeated and there are historical anals where the Pope is quoted to have been informed by his envoys immediately after the Flemish had risen up,

in a series of afermath battles the French eventually succeeded in destroying the Flemish army but the battle had been so fierce for both sides that the French king recognised the county as independent after the Flemish had demobilised and dismantled military fortifications,

making the land very vulnerable for future French attacks. So in other words, when the French king wanted to go to war, the chance of Flemish survival were very small,
 
Its all about picking the right time =-)
 
There are no mitigating circumstances for rebelling against the rule of your liege lord.


...unless you win.

-Shogun by James Clavell