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we need for events for Italy, becaue it's very boring to play with this nation cause nothing is happening to it. Suggestions anyone?
22.5.1939 Pact of Steel between germany and italy
28.10.40 attack on greece
A fascist nothern italy, in case italy is annexed or puppeted by the allies
28.10.40 attack on greece
A fascist nothern italy, in case italy is annexed or puppeted by the allies
IMO pact of steel and attack on greece don't need event, cause you can easy simulate in the game makink an alliance with Germany and declaring war on greece.
More diffucult are the political situations:
Italy don't enter in the war in 1939
Italy declares war on France (if not loosing prestige??)
Italy request military aid (loosing prestige)
Italy request resources aid
Italy declares war on Russia
Italy declares war on Usa
Italy surrender
Rsi formed (civil war)
Ok, lets try to contribute to this thread:
1938 - Italy did accept the Austria Annex but Mussolini was not so happy for it
Maybe if Mussolini had opposing that, Italy never did became a German Ally.
An event could be connected to the German annex of Austria. One choice could be the Mussolini permit it to Hitler. Another could be the Italy remain neutral and doen't sign the steel pact.
If Italy does sign the Steel pact, then Italy DOW on Allies in March 1940 (not earlier). Mussolini did hate Hitler and if he had the choice he could also refuse the alliance with him. The Only reason Mussolini did enter in the war was that he was thinking that Hitler was conquering the Europe by himself. I'd conditionate the Italy DOW to Allies only if the Germans are winning the war with the French (Mussolini did enter the war hoping it was ended with the France death and he wanted to be in the winning side... unfortunately he was wrong).
The conditions for Italy to became a German allied have to be:
Acceptance of the Anschluss
Signature of Steel Pact
Germans who controls the area close by Paris (So that they are one step to install Vichy)
... Or it is DOWed by Allies.
Another crucial event is the Civil war and the RSI (Italian Social Republic), a german puppet in north Italy created after the Fascism falling subsequent the Italy invasion by Allies.
Like Slovakia and Tiso, a new fascist nation should be created in the northern Italy (North of the Po river) under control of Germany. Of course the condition for it should be connected with the the Allies control of Rome, Tripoli, and every area in Italy but the North. It was a short period there were 3 Italy: one controlled by the King Vittorio Emanuele II, one occupied by Allies and one (the RSI) controlled by Germany.
Unfortunately I'm not good in Modding so that I need the help of an expert modders to create these events.
1938 - Italy did accept the Austria Annex but Mussolini was not so happy for it
Maybe if Mussolini had opposing that, Italy never did became a German Ally.
An event could be connected to the German annex of Austria. One choice could be the Mussolini permit it to Hitler. Another could be the Italy remain neutral and doen't sign the steel pact.
If Italy does sign the Steel pact, then Italy DOW on Allies in March 1940 (not earlier). Mussolini did hate Hitler and if he had the choice he could also refuse the alliance with him. The Only reason Mussolini did enter in the war was that he was thinking that Hitler was conquering the Europe by himself. I'd conditionate the Italy DOW to Allies only if the Germans are winning the war with the French (Mussolini did enter the war hoping it was ended with the France death and he wanted to be in the winning side... unfortunately he was wrong).
The conditions for Italy to became a German allied have to be:
Acceptance of the Anschluss
Signature of Steel Pact
Germans who controls the area close by Paris (So that they are one step to install Vichy)
... Or it is DOWed by Allies.
Another crucial event is the Civil war and the RSI (Italian Social Republic), a german puppet in north Italy created after the Fascism falling subsequent the Italy invasion by Allies.
Like Slovakia and Tiso, a new fascist nation should be created in the northern Italy (North of the Po river) under control of Germany. Of course the condition for it should be connected with the the Allies control of Rome, Tripoli, and every area in Italy but the North. It was a short period there were 3 Italy: one controlled by the King Vittorio Emanuele II, one occupied by Allies and one (the RSI) controlled by Germany.
Unfortunately I'm not good in Modding so that I need the help of an expert modders to create these events.
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Attack on Greece
It just so happens I did one for possible inclusion in a release of Bolted.
# ITA events--declaration of war on Greece. 20000
# note that IT dissent goes up either way--the one from the people's basic
# lack of enthusiasm for the war,
# the other because of the humiliation of the regime.
event = {
id = 20000
random = no
country = ITA
trigger = {
# soviet claims Besserabia and Germany moves in to ROM
event = 2700
}
name = "The Duce has decreed: is not Greece to Italy what Norway was to Germany?"
desc = "Mussolini did not wish to be outdone by Germany, which was once the juior Axis partner. He rashly declared war on Greece to assert Italy's role in the Balkans. The Italian forces performed poorly, with far-reaching consequences."
style = 0
action_a = {
name = "Greece will fall in ten days!"
# lots of luck Benito!!!
command = { type = war which = GRE }
command = { type = dissent value = 10 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Italy has no claim on Greece at this time"
command = { type = dissent value = 10 }
command = { type = influence value = -10 }
}
}
It just so happens I did one for possible inclusion in a release of Bolted.
# ITA events--declaration of war on Greece. 20000
# note that IT dissent goes up either way--the one from the people's basic
# lack of enthusiasm for the war,
# the other because of the humiliation of the regime.
event = {
id = 20000
random = no
country = ITA
trigger = {
# soviet claims Besserabia and Germany moves in to ROM
event = 2700
}
name = "The Duce has decreed: is not Greece to Italy what Norway was to Germany?"
desc = "Mussolini did not wish to be outdone by Germany, which was once the juior Axis partner. He rashly declared war on Greece to assert Italy's role in the Balkans. The Italian forces performed poorly, with far-reaching consequences."
style = 0
action_a = {
name = "Greece will fall in ten days!"
# lots of luck Benito!!!
command = { type = war which = GRE }
command = { type = dissent value = 10 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Italy has no claim on Greece at this time"
command = { type = dissent value = 10 }
command = { type = influence value = -10 }
}
}
An option to oppose the Anschluss.
Forced declarations of war, besides september 1st, are stupid.
An event in which the USA revives the Sicilian Mob (Higher dissent)
An agreement later on:
In exchange for economic and technological aid, Britain and her allied counterparts request Italian intervention on behalf of the allies.
Forced declarations of war, besides september 1st, are stupid.
An event in which the USA revives the Sicilian Mob (Higher dissent)
An agreement later on:
In exchange for economic and technological aid, Britain and her allied counterparts request Italian intervention on behalf of the allies.
Don't forget one of the more, amusing events in Italies history in ww2, the raid to free Mussolini by Otto Skornzy that let him set up his puppet fascist nother italy.
Actually, i forgot my History text for italy has a handy chronological guide to italian history..
though it only gives out years...but its helpful to figure out some events
1935 - invasion of ethiopia, Mussolini drives for economic autarky(those these events happend before, i'm sure they have later effects)
1936- rome berlin axis,
1937- join the anti-commenterm pact
1938- november-Anti-jewish laws ( though this is part of the verboten part of the events)
1939 - may - pact of steel with germany
september - italy non-beligerant in the outbreak of the war (give the palyer a choice "Yes! Romes Glory shall rise again!" "no, it is not time yet, mussolini dosn't have the right hat"
1940 - june italy enters the war
september - attacks egypt
november - Taranto navel defeat
1941 - april lost of east african colnoies
1943- july - allies take sicily
26 july - Mussolini dismissed by the king
3 september italy signs amristace with allies
12 september - skorzney's raid resuces mussolini (Maybe all these events will occure if the allies take and hold any major part of italy proper, ssicily, the naples area, for a certian amount of time, is that possible?) followed by creation of n italy, civil war there.
1945 - end of war for italy
28th april mussolini executed....well more like gunned down outside his house...
though it only gives out years...but its helpful to figure out some events
1935 - invasion of ethiopia, Mussolini drives for economic autarky(those these events happend before, i'm sure they have later effects)
1936- rome berlin axis,
1937- join the anti-commenterm pact
1938- november-Anti-jewish laws ( though this is part of the verboten part of the events)
1939 - may - pact of steel with germany
september - italy non-beligerant in the outbreak of the war (give the palyer a choice "Yes! Romes Glory shall rise again!" "no, it is not time yet, mussolini dosn't have the right hat"
1940 - june italy enters the war
september - attacks egypt
november - Taranto navel defeat
1941 - april lost of east african colnoies
1943- july - allies take sicily
26 july - Mussolini dismissed by the king
3 september italy signs amristace with allies
12 september - skorzney's raid resuces mussolini (Maybe all these events will occure if the allies take and hold any major part of italy proper, ssicily, the naples area, for a certian amount of time, is that possible?) followed by creation of n italy, civil war there.
1945 - end of war for italy
28th april mussolini executed....well more like gunned down outside his house...
Italy events.
If Italy does not attack Greece, the game fails to capture a campaign which possibly had a decisive effect on Barbarossa and hence the entire war.
I understand that some players do not like being forced into wars they don't want. I imagine Hitler felt the same...
Any scheme which does not attempt to model Mussolini's aspirations--and the folly these inspired--is broken.
If Italy does not attack Greece, the game fails to capture a campaign which possibly had a decisive effect on Barbarossa and hence the entire war.
I understand that some players do not like being forced into wars they don't want. I imagine Hitler felt the same...
Any scheme which does not attempt to model Mussolini's aspirations--and the folly these inspired--is broken.
Armistice event: (it should happen to both of Italy and UK(as Allies leader))
Allies must control whole Sicily, Taranto and at least other 2 provinces in the italian peninsula.
If Italy doesn't accept: it doesn't happen nothing.
If Italy does accept it: the event will be triggered for UK.
If UK doesn't accept: Italy become neutral and leaves the Axis.
If UK does accept: Italy leaves Axis and join Allies! Badoglio become Italian premier, all italian units should lose all their organization level due the lack of orders. It also should trigger the Skorzney's raid event (that should create the new puppet nation, with Mussolini as leader and remove Ciano as minister (he was executed)).
Allies must control whole Sicily, Taranto and at least other 2 provinces in the italian peninsula.
If Italy doesn't accept: it doesn't happen nothing.
If Italy does accept it: the event will be triggered for UK.
If UK doesn't accept: Italy become neutral and leaves the Axis.
If UK does accept: Italy leaves Axis and join Allies! Badoglio become Italian premier, all italian units should lose all their organization level due the lack of orders. It also should trigger the Skorzney's raid event (that should create the new puppet nation, with Mussolini as leader and remove Ciano as minister (he was executed)).
Maybe there could be events that signify Mussolini's desire not to be overshadowed by Hitler.
Events such as, declare war on Greece/or/Yugoslavia/or/Switzerland (all Italian targets) or face 30 dissidence because you now look timid in the face of Hitler's triumphs would give the AI a boost but not force the Human player to just follow along.
It could be triggered by German success in Poland and France.
All that matters is that the Human player is given an option not to have to follow the course of history. I don't mind if we force the AI to follow history (if certain peramiters are met), but forcing a human player to plan their war based primarily on events would take some of the fun out of the game.
Events such as, declare war on Greece/or/Yugoslavia/or/Switzerland (all Italian targets) or face 30 dissidence because you now look timid in the face of Hitler's triumphs would give the AI a boost but not force the Human player to just follow along.
It could be triggered by German success in Poland and France.
All that matters is that the Human player is given an option not to have to follow the course of history. I don't mind if we force the AI to follow history (if certain peramiters are met), but forcing a human player to plan their war based primarily on events would take some of the fun out of the game.
30 dissent is way too much, I don't see Italian industry collapsing overnight for a year or more because of this... Maybe 5 dissent and some reduced loyalty for hawkish ministers and leaders would be better.
Who in Italy (General Staff and ministers) was in favour of aggression in Europe? Who was against it? Regardless of which way you go in these events there should be a balance of good and bad effects, make it a hard choice for the player while the AI will opt for choice_a most of the time.
Possible Balkan events:
Support of Croatian/Macedonian Terrorists/Nationalist Groups
Negotiations about Splitting Albania with Yugoslavia
Setting up Fascist regime in Albania in exchange for Albanian claims on Pristina
Negotiations between Greece and Italy
Negotiations between Vichy France and Italy on Tunisia and Nice
Support of Croatian/Macedonian Terrorists/Nationalist Groups
Negotiations about Splitting Albania with Yugoslavia
Setting up Fascist regime in Albania in exchange for Albanian claims on Pristina
Negotiations between Greece and Italy
Negotiations between Vichy France and Italy on Tunisia and Nice
I agree, +30 dissident is too much...
In 1939, Italy was not prepared for war. It lacked military equipment, industries and some vital resources, like iron and steel. Mussolini was aware of this situation and was against war. So were most of fascist ministers.
Mussolini's ambitiuos idea was to act as a mediator between Hitler and Democratic Powers (UK and France), to avoid war in Europe. He was sure to stop Hitler from invading Poland and beginning WW2. This would have granted to Mussolini and Italy the favour from Democratic Nations.
When he understood that it would be impossible to stop Hitler crazy idea of conquering Europe, he tried to take time to see the result of the war. In 1940, France was about to fall and German army looked invincible. He declared war against France (a really VILE act) hoping that the war was coming to an end. Unfortunately for him, that was far from reality...
that sounds like Mussolini was a gentle angel that was there by mistake and fall JUST because hitler was there too.... mmmm... i dont buy it
tell the Ehiopians how good he was....
Why the germans attacked Greece?... just to save the italians from a total disaster...
well, what do you think about adding the new:
U01 - Italian Social Republic
so, we can create that nation if the allies took all the south of the peninsula....
what do you think?
any ideas?
pros and cons?
U01 - Italian Social Republic
so, we can create that nation if the allies took all the south of the peninsula....
what do you think?
any ideas?
pros and cons?
To Generalissimo:
I don't want to justify Mussolini (sorry if I give you this idea; for me it's difficult to express my thoughts in English): he was the leader of a repressive regime that destroy Italian democracy, brought Italy to ruin and make a lot of mistakes and cruelties. These are historical facts and nobody want to negate them.
However it's also a fact that Italy was unprepared for war: our army was ridicolous compared to German and British ones. Mussolini acted as the typical Italian politician: try to stay in the winning side. When it seemed that war was about to end and Germany was the winner, he entered into the war to gain the best he could from it (again, that's not a justification of his actions).
I think that if Germany didn't have so brillant success in '39-'41 Italy _could_ have remained neutral (*).
There are proof of contacts between Mussolini and Churchill to avoid Italian partecipation to the conflict. It is also true that Mussolini didn't like Hitler and considered him a quite a fool.
(*)
I refer ONLY to Italian DOW against France and UK. That has nothing to do with wars against Etiopia and Somalia: Mussolini was a war-oriented leader that wanted to build a colonial empire like UK, France etc. In early 1900, when in Italy was a democracy (according to the standard of that period), Italy conquered the "big sand box", Lybia. In that period, there was the idea that to be like other "Great Powers", we needed colonies (Lybia was conquered just for international prestige: oil was found later; that's why some Italian Politicians referred to Lybia as the war for the "big sand box"...). Mussolini used this Colonialism feeling for his fascist propaganda.
I don't want to justify Mussolini (sorry if I give you this idea; for me it's difficult to express my thoughts in English): he was the leader of a repressive regime that destroy Italian democracy, brought Italy to ruin and make a lot of mistakes and cruelties. These are historical facts and nobody want to negate them.
However it's also a fact that Italy was unprepared for war: our army was ridicolous compared to German and British ones. Mussolini acted as the typical Italian politician: try to stay in the winning side. When it seemed that war was about to end and Germany was the winner, he entered into the war to gain the best he could from it (again, that's not a justification of his actions).
I think that if Germany didn't have so brillant success in '39-'41 Italy _could_ have remained neutral (*).
There are proof of contacts between Mussolini and Churchill to avoid Italian partecipation to the conflict. It is also true that Mussolini didn't like Hitler and considered him a quite a fool.
(*)
I refer ONLY to Italian DOW against France and UK. That has nothing to do with wars against Etiopia and Somalia: Mussolini was a war-oriented leader that wanted to build a colonial empire like UK, France etc. In early 1900, when in Italy was a democracy (according to the standard of that period), Italy conquered the "big sand box", Lybia. In that period, there was the idea that to be like other "Great Powers", we needed colonies (Lybia was conquered just for international prestige: oil was found later; that's why some Italian Politicians referred to Lybia as the war for the "big sand box"...). Mussolini used this Colonialism feeling for his fascist propaganda.