They were too few to make up any units, guerrillas will have to be simulated by events.
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Actually, the Yugoslav Guerillas by the end of the war had about 800,000 I believe..
Sure but they were not the Ustasha organisation supported by the Italians but the Partisans under Tito (and thus a part of the Yugoslavian C.O.R.E. project). The Croatian pre-war guerillas were maybe a couple of hundred.
I do know that a large factor of in the growth of strength of the Yugoslav Partisans was the collapse of Italy and the weapons they left behind but Partisan related events should be treated under Yugoslavia.
Here's an event I just finished:
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# Anschluss - Fears of German Foreign Policy?
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event = {
id = 10011
random = no
country = ITA
name = "The Italian Policy on Anschluss"
desc = "Germany annexing Austria posed a great threat to Italian borders, dispite the signing of the Rome-Berlin Axis. Mussolini's dillema was, to his people, who wanted to remain
friends with the UK and France, and his friend Adolf Hitler and the 3rd Reich."
style = 0
action_a = {
name = "This will serve to advance the Axis cause" # Great!
command = { type = dissent value = 5 }
}
action_b = {
name = "File an official complaint with Germany"
command = { type = alignment which = democratic value = 25 }
command = { type = dissent value = -5 }
}
action_c = {
name = "Pull out of the Axis pact"
command = { type = alignment which = democratic value = 100 }
command = { type = dissent value = 10 }
command = { type = leave_alliance }
}
}
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# Anschluss - Fears of German Foreign Policy?
#########################################################################
event = {
id = 10011
random = no
country = ITA
name = "The Italian Policy on Anschluss"
desc = "Germany annexing Austria posed a great threat to Italian borders, dispite the signing of the Rome-Berlin Axis. Mussolini's dillema was, to his people, who wanted to remain
friends with the UK and France, and his friend Adolf Hitler and the 3rd Reich."
style = 0
action_a = {
name = "This will serve to advance the Axis cause" # Great!
command = { type = dissent value = 5 }
}
action_b = {
name = "File an official complaint with Germany"
command = { type = alignment which = democratic value = 25 }
command = { type = dissent value = -5 }
}
action_c = {
name = "Pull out of the Axis pact"
command = { type = alignment which = democratic value = 100 }
command = { type = dissent value = 10 }
command = { type = leave_alliance }
}
}
The Italian people never really liked being allied with the Germans.
Its one of the reasons Italian morale was so low. They were fighting former allies in North Africa.
Its one of the reasons Italian morale was so low. They were fighting former allies in North Africa.
are you sure about that?
i never heard that was the cause of their poor performance...
It was a very large part. It was a war Italy didn't want to fight for the most part.
well, they are not as beligerent as Germany, but they fought in Ethiopia too, and they were almost crushed by the ethiopians...
they have to use poison gas to stop them...
also in greece they performed poorly...
but you always have the Alpini troops that performed in an excellent manner in EVERY theatre they fought...
so , i think it was bad preparation AND bad equipment , and not a "it is not my war" feeling....
Also, you are giving 5 dissent in 1939 just for free, i don't think people will hate acepting what was inevitable, Austria was almost annexed, so i think the germans just "accelerated" the things...
and?Originally posted by Burris
I think it was the alpine troops that got walloped by French Alpine troops
they fought very well indeed, they could not won the war on their own, right?
Whitman was killed, and that doesn't mean that he didn't know how to move a tank, also Hausser lost some battles, that shows that he is imcompetent? event Montgomery lost some battles... so? do i have to go on with the list?
cheers.
My own scripts in progress for italy
Hiya all, im writing up a few scripts to emulate german-italo co-operationm just to let you know if yer interested in getting some of these:
-Rome-Berlin co-operation pact
#German side
1. Yes - limited , add influence for italy (say 10) and add influence germany (say 5), since they need influence to get it going
2. Yes - full scale economic pact: same as above and add some IC to reflect two economies intertwining (maybe a modifier instead of province boost (like techs)
3. No, reduce dissent (as germans enjoy being the best) say 2?
#Italian Side
Choose agree and get as above or disagree and reduce dissent?
- If pact exists on outbreak of allied/german war, trigger "steel pact" which triggers a possible military alliance.
#German side - propose pact?
Yes - Limited (no steel, just a military alliance)
Yes - Steel pact (offer steel 500)
Yes - Offer full aid package (offer all kinds of resources)
No: nothing
#Italian Side
Yes: increase dissent (5), enter military alliance (thus declare war on allies), gain x resources from germany (removed from german pool). AI most likely to say no against the first option, most likely to say yes to all others
- TOTAL WAR #1, triggers on military alliance Germany
note: part of the total war section is reduced starting manpower
#We need to enter total war mechanisms! do you wish to? #
Yes: boost IC production (as more ppl are set to work)
permanently boost manpower production as a larger source is called upon
raised dissent levels (5)
no way: no effect
- Total War #2, check if at war & alliance germany and total war triggered
- 1939 - 1947, each year add a certain amount of ppl to the pool (assuming about 100 a year and 800 as starting pool)
Lemme know what you think
Completed the above scripting
Hiya all, im writing up a few scripts to emulate german-italo co-operationm just to let you know if yer interested in getting some of these:
-Rome-Berlin co-operation pact
#German side
1. Yes - limited , add influence for italy (say 10) and add influence germany (say 5), since they need influence to get it going
2. Yes - full scale economic pact: same as above and add some IC to reflect two economies intertwining (maybe a modifier instead of province boost (like techs)
3. No, reduce dissent (as germans enjoy being the best) say 2?
#Italian Side
Choose agree and get as above or disagree and reduce dissent?
- If pact exists on outbreak of allied/german war, trigger "steel pact" which triggers a possible military alliance.
#German side - propose pact?
Yes - Limited (no steel, just a military alliance)
Yes - Steel pact (offer steel 500)
Yes - Offer full aid package (offer all kinds of resources)
No: nothing
#Italian Side
Yes: increase dissent (5), enter military alliance (thus declare war on allies), gain x resources from germany (removed from german pool). AI most likely to say no against the first option, most likely to say yes to all others
- TOTAL WAR #1, triggers on military alliance Germany
note: part of the total war section is reduced starting manpower
#We need to enter total war mechanisms! do you wish to? #
Yes: boost IC production (as more ppl are set to work)
permanently boost manpower production as a larger source is called upon
raised dissent levels (5)
no way: no effect
- Total War #2, check if at war & alliance germany and total war triggered
- 1939 - 1947, each year add a certain amount of ppl to the pool (assuming about 100 a year and 800 as starting pool)
Lemme know what you think
Completed the above scripting
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Tnx Steel,
that is helpful, i'm considering adding it to my local mod... if i release it to other people is it ok to include your work with proper referencing?
I also completed all of the above events for italy, as well as added the greek war provided vichy exists and italo - german alliance (this ofcourse can be avoided, but the ai will generally go to war with greece once it controls albania).
#Series 98600-98605: Rome-Berlin Axis Co-Operation Pact
#Series 98610-98618: Steel Pact
#Series 98630-98644: Total War Declaration (manpower/production/roads/reserves)
#Series 98660-98664: Greece
I'm wondering though how to balance total war declaration: eg maybe only a small boost in ic and remove the infrastructure boost? currently ic is boosted by 20 overall and infrastructure by 5 in each province.. seems like a lot, might unbalance it....
Hmmm and another question, i seem to get an error in the script i wrote, but i dont seem to get why...inherit which = GRE a command and its locking on that.... does inherit not work?
that is helpful, i'm considering adding it to my local mod... if i release it to other people is it ok to include your work with proper referencing?
I also completed all of the above events for italy, as well as added the greek war provided vichy exists and italo - german alliance (this ofcourse can be avoided, but the ai will generally go to war with greece once it controls albania).
#Series 98600-98605: Rome-Berlin Axis Co-Operation Pact
#Series 98610-98618: Steel Pact
#Series 98630-98644: Total War Declaration (manpower/production/roads/reserves)
#Series 98660-98664: Greece
I'm wondering though how to balance total war declaration: eg maybe only a small boost in ic and remove the infrastructure boost? currently ic is boosted by 20 overall and infrastructure by 5 in each province.. seems like a lot, might unbalance it....
Hmmm and another question, i seem to get an error in the script i wrote, but i dont seem to get why...inherit which = GRE a command and its locking on that.... does inherit not work?
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They're written for the community, use them freely as long as you give credit. 20 IC seems a lot and would either need to be balanced with similar events for the other majors or at least a major war entry increase for Greece, the US etc.
Disent hit
Mussolini had been urging the people for a greater Roman Empire. To be as in the past. I don't like the disent hit for joing Germany.
Italy is already too weak. Low IC's bad tech.
What benefit would it be for me to join Germany?
Attack France and get some of their provinces?
Then you have to fight the French in Africa and of course UK.
As Italy you won't have a chance with a disent hit.
Disent decreases combat effectincy.
A 5% disent hit also decreases your IC's by 5%.
Hell your already a slug. What are you gonna do? Have a 1% increase in IC production because of the pact with Germany?
You'll never see the benefit for a long time. The Disent hit will kill you. Italy will loose Africa even faster.
Mussolini had been urging the people for a greater Roman Empire. To be as in the past. I don't like the disent hit for joing Germany.
Italy is already too weak. Low IC's bad tech.
What benefit would it be for me to join Germany?
Attack France and get some of their provinces?
Then you have to fight the French in Africa and of course UK.
As Italy you won't have a chance with a disent hit.
Disent decreases combat effectincy.
A 5% disent hit also decreases your IC's by 5%.
Hell your already a slug. What are you gonna do? Have a 1% increase in IC production because of the pact with Germany?
You'll never see the benefit for a long time. The Disent hit will kill you. Italy will loose Africa even faster.
Just found this article on Military harbors, anti-ship and anti-aircraft coastal defenses in Italian East Africa: 1936-1941.
maybe someone could make a neat event out of that.
Italian player could gain a little DI and some manpower (for improving his position in the colony) if he spends supplies.
maybe someone could make a neat event out of that.
Italian player could gain a little DI and some manpower (for improving his position in the colony) if he spends supplies.
it looks complicated to make an event from that...
maybe one with some offset from the conquer of Ethiopia that add level 1 coastal fortress on the north...
someone can think of something better?
I'd say +1 IC, +1 Land Fort, +1 Coastal Fort and +1 AA for one province at the cost of 1000 supplies, triggered by annexation of Ethiopia. The IC is almost useless but the forts might give the Italians a little extra chance of holding out. What's the rules for forts and supplies in 1.33b, does it make a difference?
Choice B for the event could be an industry relocation ("Strip the country") which removes all IC from Ethiopia and gives a +1 or +2 IC boost in a province in northern Italy.
Choice B for the event could be an industry relocation ("Strip the country") which removes all IC from Ethiopia and gives a +1 or +2 IC boost in a province in northern Italy.