Chalcedonian overpowered or just my game?

[Sylentwolf8]

So in my game despite my best efforts to create a diverse and interesting alternate history (for EU4 conversion) it seems the Christians are having none of it. The Byzantine Empire first off enacted elective monarchy making it so they effectively never have major civil wars, and secondly the great schism never fired!

So now every crusade is a guaranteed victory, the Byzzies are on their way to a Roman Empire reformation and to top it all off it seems it takes maybe one year max for provinces to convert from Islam to Chalcedonian. I ran an observe and let 35 years pass, and not only was all of Andalusia conquered from 100% owned by a Sunni Muslim ruler to 0% in those 35 years, all of it was converted to Chalcedonian! Also as the Shia Caliph of the Carthaginian Empire I had two successful Jihad for Novgorod and Lithuania and built what I thought was a strong Shia presence there. Enter observe mode... nope all dead in those 35 years AND converted from Shia to Chalcedonian.

While yes this is an interesting alternate history, I think some balance may need redoing? Or is my game just a one in a million with the Byzantines being awesome?

I was kind of hoping to only play the first couple hundred years and observe the rest to create an interesting, if border gory, world but it's starting to seem like the Shia Caliph has his work cut out for him.

EDIT: Side question: Does anyone know if Chalcedonian can still get protestant/reformed heresies popping up in EU4?

 

[DragoonTT]

I have never managed to get the Schism event to fire. Either Charlemagne declares a supreme patriarch a few years into the game, or there is no patriarch and some schism event fires, but then nothing for 100s of years with the side effect of only a handful of heresies ever appearing (Iconoclast, Adoptionist, Lollard, if I remember correctly). However, I've rarely seen Chalcedonian be at high moral authority for any length of time - they do not have all of their Holy Sites from the beginning, and usually won't be able to take them from the Abbasids either.

 

[Sylentwolf8]

I have never managed to get the Schism event to fire. Either Charlemagne declares a supreme patriarch a few years into the game, or there is no patriarch and some schism event fires, but then nothing for 100s of years with the side effect of only a handful of heresies ever appearing (Iconoclast, Adoptionist, Lollard, if I remember correctly). However, I've rarely seen Chalcedonian be at high moral authority for any length of time - they do not have all of their Holy Sites from the beginning, and usually won't be able to take them from the Abbasids either.

I guess my game is just a tad unique then. The Byzantines enacted elective and with one of those higher quality elected leaders managed to win some war against Abbasids I believe causing them to splinter.

I played a bit more yesterday and managed to help both Shia and Sunni win a Jihad each against Byzantium (one for Nicaea and one for Jerusalem) so perhaps this will tip the scales to being a bit more even.

Like you mentioned with moral authority it's been pretty constantly at 100% for Chalcedonian as they have almost always held 3 holy sites and for quite a long time held 4. Not to mention there are basically 0 heretics and most of the tribal lords chose Chalcedonian to convert to.

Side question: Does anyone know if Chalcedonian can still get protestant/reformed heresies popping up in EU4?

 

[Susanna]

I got the Great Schism to fire less than 25 years in to my start in my current game - 1023, I think. (My start year was 1000.)

 

[themrwho]

yeah chalcs are almost always at 100%, always too strong

One of the things I like most about this game is it (within constraints) gives you a wonderbox; you place the chessboard at game start, and wonderful things come out of it every time a new game is run. Thanks to CK2Plus wonder levels are multiplied. However in terms of Chalcedonian faith, it appears its unopposed triumph is unavoidable. simply a CERTAINTY.

just like taxes, death and buggy software.

 

[Rylock]

yeah chalcs are almost always at 100%, always too strong

One of the things I like most about this game is it (within constraints) gives you a wonderbox; you place the chessboard at game start, and wonderful things come out of it every time a new game is run. Thanks to CK2Plus wonder levels are multiplied. However in terms of Chalcedonian faith, it appears its unopposed triumph is unavoidable. simply a CERTAINTY.

just like taxes, death and buggy software.

That's a little over-dramatic, don't you think?

 

[themrwho]

That's a little over-dramatic, don't you think?

they always win. 100% of my games. maybe ~10 games so far. dramatic success...

 

[ShiaoPi]

In my games they always split and they do so around 950 to 1000 already. So it's just anecdotal evidence :S

 

[Sphem]

You know I like the chalcedonian thing and all that comes with it. But it almost seemed like for sure that in my game it was going to scism because i had through like 3 of the scism events and out of nowhere a supreme patriarch was appointed. Is there any way to make the scism event fire?