usa will be having fun building great ic 
i hope axis will invade UK fast , so i could get extra ic ;] that would be fun .
i hope axis will invade UK fast , so i could get extra ic ;] that would be fun .-
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Colonel Warden said:
Yesterday, I met Duce Mussolimi and we talked one more time about Spain Civil war and the words of the UK diplomat.I report you Duce’s words.
Duce understands the regretable loss of Gilbraltar, the UK colony. He thinks UK must go on, show the world your democratic lesson and find a peacefull solution.
Mussolini thinks that a conflict for the freedom of nation Spain will just be a little storm on Europe. A strom that it will clear the European sky, soon. Like said the diplomat of UK: « UK didn't want to get dragged into another european war ». And Europe don't want to get dragged into another war.
But if the UK wants to send the world in this CHAOTIC way, because they don’t want let a people like national spain people fight for freedom, it’s sure that nationalist Spain will receive more help from Italy. If intervention of UK will overtake their implication since july 36 in Spain civil war.
Thus, if for fight a revolt the UK need to set fire the world , 37 World War will be.
Emissary Italian Beylerbey Kheira din.
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Andrew
Andrew
Well this second session was rather fun !
First thing to say is that I was impressed to see all players showing up and on time (execpt JT whose country was AIed).
Second thing to say is that we were eager to battle, and UK player made a surprise DOW to Nat Spain, pretexting the need to recover Gibraltar from partisans. Since Nat Spain had just allied with Germany, WW2 broke out in mid 37 !
Italy wanted to help Spain to repell the invaders that operated from Portugal, but that would have broken one of the rules that were initally defined. After a moment of talk, most players expressed they wanted to continue the game without any rules. So we had Italy joining Axis, while Turkey, Persia, Poland and USA were on the allied side.
All was set for the real chaos to begin : USSR dowed USA (!), Hungary dowed Roumania and Turkey, Yougoslavia dowed Austria, Bulgaria dowed Persia and Roumania, Greece dowed Turkey and New Zealand (!) and I probably forget some. Later on Greece and Austria asked to join Axis so we took them and thus we were at war with the middle-east.
From the german point of view I have to say it was quite stressing to be dragged into war while still building factories During the first months Germany could hardly resist the polish ! Fortunately enough the Soviets were also fighting them from behind. So we gradually ate Poland, and Warsaw fell just before the end of the session.
One of the german fleets was sunk by a 45 (!) flotillas large english fleet, but still managed to sink some convoys before.
At the end of the session we had Spain controlling all of the iberian area, Italy controlling Egypt, Suez and most of england's middle-east possessions. The italians also managed to land in the back of the yougoslavs.
All these good points do not make me forget that the allies have 650+ IC while Axis have 250. Needless to say that we are doomed.
Soviet Union is at war with the allies, but is not allied with Axis, so they could very well sign a separate peace or do a fake war. Japan remains neutral as it is fighting China.
First thing to say is that I was impressed to see all players showing up and on time (execpt JT whose country was AIed).
Second thing to say is that we were eager to battle, and UK player made a surprise DOW to Nat Spain, pretexting the need to recover Gibraltar from partisans. Since Nat Spain had just allied with Germany, WW2 broke out in mid 37 !
Italy wanted to help Spain to repell the invaders that operated from Portugal, but that would have broken one of the rules that were initally defined. After a moment of talk, most players expressed they wanted to continue the game without any rules. So we had Italy joining Axis, while Turkey, Persia, Poland and USA were on the allied side.
All was set for the real chaos to begin : USSR dowed USA (!), Hungary dowed Roumania and Turkey, Yougoslavia dowed Austria, Bulgaria dowed Persia and Roumania, Greece dowed Turkey and New Zealand (!) and I probably forget some. Later on Greece and Austria asked to join Axis so we took them and thus we were at war with the middle-east.
From the german point of view I have to say it was quite stressing to be dragged into war while still building factories
During the first months Germany could hardly resist the polish ! Fortunately enough the Soviets were also fighting them from behind. So we gradually ate Poland, and Warsaw fell just before the end of the session. One of the german fleets was sunk by a 45 (!) flotillas large english fleet, but still managed to sink some convoys before.
At the end of the session we had Spain controlling all of the iberian area, Italy controlling Egypt, Suez and most of england's middle-east possessions. The italians also managed to land in the back of the yougoslavs.
All these good points do not make me forget that the allies have 650+ IC while Axis have 250. Needless to say that we are doomed.
Soviet Union is at war with the allies, but is not allied with Axis, so they could very well sign a separate peace or do a fake war. Japan remains neutral as it is fighting China.
There was no DOW as we already had a war - the Spanish Civil War. Germany joined this war first, by allying with Nationalist Spain - something that was only possible because a human had been put in charge of the country. UK then allied with Republican Spain, as already planned and announced to get access to retake Gibraltar. The resulting general war is clearly Germany's fault as it had no business getting so involved in Spain.Umbre said:
The partisans are still the dominating issues for the British Empire. The UK started with a huge dissent level of 69% which I don't recall from last time. I had supposed that this was all due to Soviet intelligence actions - perhaps using the lag exploit to make multiple smear campaigns all at once. Now I'm wondering if this was caused by convoy lag causing supply shortages for our troops, which can result in high dissent quickly. Please could the Soviets comment on what they did, if anything, as I'd like to get to the bottom of this.
This game is proving a fruitful source of bugs generally. With the current level of dissent, the UK should have 112 working IC but instead it only has 42. We had the event in which Churchill takes over as PM but Chamberlain is still there. The stated chance for getting Romania to join the Allies was 0% but I tried anyway and they joined. I'll be reporting all these to Paradox via the beta-test.
SU DOWing USA to get them into the war was an exploit, set up by the USA who promised the SU peace. The US and SU are the most powerful countries in the game. If their players abuse this power then it destroys the game for everyone else. Tsk.
Andrew
hey hey hey that wasnt an exploit ( SU dows US ) , we are playing without rules , so that was just great tactical move , you know how much i payed SU to dow me? ( who is da best? ) btw US still cant do anything cause dont have right techs for starting pumping army in 37... so it is still no job for me ;] BTW, what about 2 sessions per week , it would be much better...
( who is da best? ) btw US still cant do anything cause dont have right techs for starting pumping army in 37... so it is still no job for me ;] BTW, what about 2 sessions per week , it would be much better...
Another bug to report seems to be that USA complained he tried many tiimes to fund partisans in Germany and it never worked. Maybe Nehas could confirm this and give more precise information.Colonel Warden said:
Colonel Warden said:
Agreed. Indeed I don't mind if SU was paid to DOW. But I DO mind if the game is not balanced. USA and SU, being giants, have a key responsability in that regard. Axis may concede victory very soon if sides are not at least somewhat balanced.
EDIT : playing twice a week could be doable for me.
yup i had 10 spies in germany and when i tried to fund the partisans no effect it nor suceeds nor fails(i dont lose spies) but i have to wait 1 more week to do smth in intelligence with germany.
This seems as a very point less and boring game with UK and USA at full strength already by 1937, but guess SU could ally germany and it still could be fun
The UK is, in fact, severely crippled by dissent of 61% and high partisan levels all over its Empire. This game is not at all boring but quite interesting in the Chinese sense.Phadishar said:
I contrast this with your game on Sunday in which my country, Italy, did almost nothing of interest for 5 hours and looks likely to repeat this in the next session. Perhaps there will be a spasm of interest at the end of this lengthy build-up but, in the meantime, I'm glad that the radio on Sunday evening is especially good.
I'm not complaining, you understand - there's room for both sorts of game and they both have their merits.
Andrew
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Alright so... The CHAOS REVISITED game is over. It died of too much chaos, indeed. To put it in a word, USA was subbed last session and the replacing player chose to reverse alliances so USA gradually distanced itself from the Allies and annonced its will to join Axis. Japan allied with USSR and UK quickly resigned. We then stopped and decided to start a new game, a 1938 campaign.
More on this later, but at this stage I wish to mention two things :
More on this later, but at this stage I wish to mention two things :
- Maybe we should not have allowed a sub to decide such drastic changes. But the game was too much unbalanced anyway with axis being way too much underpowered
- HOI2 is less suited for individual play in MP than EU2 was. HOI2 requires its players to keep the main historical lines to keep on being balanced.
We have played only a few months in this new 1938 campaign. It will be played at the same time and day than the last one. Surprisingly, every regular player from the last game joined in again. Maybe this group is not that bad after all
So we have :
Nehas and JT can pick the country of their choice, though ideally it would be Italy and USA/China/Canada/Australia. Please also note that Beylerbey mentionned his disapointment of having Japan already engaged in China war, so he may possibly consider trading his country for another, should anyone be interested.
So we have :
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Germany : Andrew
USSR : Senpai
Japan : Beylerbey
UK : UmbreNehas and JT can pick the country of their choice, though ideally it would be Italy and USA/China/Canada/Australia. Please also note that Beylerbey mentionned his disapointment of having Japan already engaged in China war, so he may possibly consider trading his country for another, should anyone be interested.
I will be out this evening and so unable to play, alas. Feel free to sub Germany as not much has happened in this campaign yet.
Andrew
Andrew
OK so only 3 of us showed up, session is canceled for tonight. Please let me know who intends to play next week.
Despite some confirmations, it is clear that enthusiasm has fallen for this game. I officially close this campaign, Bey and I are moving to Civ4.
I'd like to thank the regular players for the good times. C U in another circomstances.
I'd like to thank the regular players for the good times. C U in another circomstances.