Oz,
I don't think my relations are the cause of it. I'm never traded out except at a monopoly.
I don't think my relations are the cause of it. I'm never traded out except at a monopoly.
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HolisticGod said:
You have too high trade efficiency to be traded out. Am I right?
By the way, Grabah are you still around? We missed you last night... Poland had to be AIed again, which I don't like.
Ozzeh said:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Ozzeh said:
He is in military AFAIK. He comes home here and there but I'm not sure how often he is able to read this forum or play. In the meantime we can try to find a sub for Poland. Fnuco?
Daniel A said:as is Bob of course
I just wondered the other night if being a good trader is something that mainly comes with the nation or with the player.
of course, I can't always be fighting Austria and Portugal has very little else to do, but I have 5 or 6 merchants in every CoT I can see so my trading is going quite well, and I even have some gold and production to back it up.
And HoG about your comment about trading being necessary, that is not really true, for example look at the newbie game, Ottomans and Russians have no trade tech compared to the westerners but still beat them around
. And really you have more than enough production and tax to make trading a luxury, maybe not right at the moment but at infra 6 then you can probably have as high an income as anyone else just with those two types of income.
Bob,
That it's called the "newbie" game might have something to do with it.
Trade is the economic lynchpin of this game. Yes, Russia, the Ottoman Empire, France and even Spain can maintain decent incomes without it, but, eventually, a country that doesn't trade, any country, will be outpaced and outmatched by a country that does. Be it an uber OE with Ganges, Kutch and Malacca or a five province Holland.
In an individual war, it may not matter. If both sides can raise their pool-and, depending, hold on par with mercenaries-manpower is far, far more important than income. But over the long run, wealth builds fortifications and conscription centers, it facilitates diplomacy and power projection and allows a good sized, well-led country to fight almost indefinitely. You don't need 800/month to do this, but you need a moderately good-sized economy and, in MP, that means trade.
More to the point, in the age of SOLs, it takes a powerhouse economy to build a navy. At 40 a pop at max plutocracy and 5 land, a competitive fleet costs 28000-40000 ducats. Depending on the countries and competitiveness of the game, and the number of wars, maintaining naval power can cost 100000-200000 ducats in the 18th century.
For that, you do indeed need to be making at a minimum 500/month and more practically 800-1000.
That it's called the "newbie" game might have something to do with it.
Trade is the economic lynchpin of this game. Yes, Russia, the Ottoman Empire, France and even Spain can maintain decent incomes without it, but, eventually, a country that doesn't trade, any country, will be outpaced and outmatched by a country that does. Be it an uber OE with Ganges, Kutch and Malacca or a five province Holland.
In an individual war, it may not matter. If both sides can raise their pool-and, depending, hold on par with mercenaries-manpower is far, far more important than income. But over the long run, wealth builds fortifications and conscription centers, it facilitates diplomacy and power projection and allows a good sized, well-led country to fight almost indefinitely. You don't need 800/month to do this, but you need a moderately good-sized economy and, in MP, that means trade.
More to the point, in the age of SOLs, it takes a powerhouse economy to build a navy. At 40 a pop at max plutocracy and 5 land, a competitive fleet costs 28000-40000 ducats. Depending on the countries and competitiveness of the game, and the number of wars, maintaining naval power can cost 100000-200000 ducats in the 18th century.
For that, you do indeed need to be making at a minimum 500/month and more practically 800-1000.
HolisticGod said:That it's called the "newbie" game might have something to do with it.
hehe, they have turned tax boost mode on
Russia was ahead of all countries in all techs together with OE lol
Nice post HoG again and again. Short but rich.
Nabukodonosor said:hehe, they have turned tax boost mode on
Russia was ahead of all countries in all techs together with OE lol
Nice post HoG again and again. Short but rich.
Well Russia are cool, as are to a lesser extent the OE
No need to laugh at it
Dr Bob said:
firstly, it's "is"
...and secondly, what'd you expect with all that snow?
It's possible to loose added cultures, not to drop them. If you hold less then 75% of the culture for 50 years you loose the added culture, and have 2 free again.
Aladar,
That's what I figured.
I claim Celtic, then. Shame I started those useless low chance conversions in Scotland to beat the clock, though.
That's what I figured.
I claim Celtic, then. Shame I started those useless low chance conversions in Scotland to beat the clock, though.
Aladar said:If it's a problem i'm sure you can sell your dutch provinses to someone
Russia offers 300 ducats for them
If you guys like I am willing to sub/perm Poland until January (I honestly doubt they will last that long & hopefully the perm will be back by then if they are).
Aladar,
Not likely.
Bob,
Er, I thought you already had... Peru, anyone?
CF,
You have until the end of Jan, yes? So eight sessions?
That'd be excellent. Grabah seems unable to play. But I do think we should change Poland into Austria and give it at least Magyar and Slavonic in addition to its current cultures. Poland has decent enough leaders, but nothing compared to Austria's. And with its current cultural representation it's not in the best shape.
Presumably, Slavonic would've been claimed had Poland been played the last three weeks. German's another matter, but that and Magyar seem reasonable.
EDIT: I realize this Polish-Austrian transformation is hardly historical, but it's a pretty nominal country event-leader wise.
I'm not opposed to some warped Bourbon dynasty in Krakow either. Just more of a stretch.
Oz,
Edward tires of the London fog. He has decided to move his court to Paris.
Also, remember to bump England's land slider back to 5.
Not likely.
Bob,
Er, I thought you already had... Peru, anyone?
CF,
You have until the end of Jan, yes? So eight sessions?
That'd be excellent. Grabah seems unable to play. But I do think we should change Poland into Austria and give it at least Magyar and Slavonic in addition to its current cultures. Poland has decent enough leaders, but nothing compared to Austria's. And with its current cultural representation it's not in the best shape.
Presumably, Slavonic would've been claimed had Poland been played the last three weeks. German's another matter, but that and Magyar seem reasonable.
EDIT: I realize this Polish-Austrian transformation is hardly historical, but it's a pretty nominal country event-leader wise.
I'm not opposed to some warped Bourbon dynasty in Krakow either.
Just more of a stretch.Oz,
Edward tires of the London fog. He has decided to move his court to Paris.
Also, remember to bump England's land slider back to 5.
Yes, I have until the end of January, & you guys can do whatever you like with Poland. Like I said, however, Germany & Sweden would be foolish not to crush such a weak Poland, especially with such a tech gap, but I never mind a loosing battle, I just hope to bleed them dry in the process