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I don't see why it should be slept either, thou it should ofcourse only fire if the requirements are meet.
But giving 1 provinse away that'll cause the bankcrupt is gamey in my book.
But giving 1 provinse away that'll cause the bankcrupt is gamey in my book.
Aladar said:
No, it is smart play Aladar. Whenever you succeed in avoiding something harmful in the game you are playing intelligently, you are skilfully adapting to the game.
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BTW, contrast this, where you do nothing against the rules of the Paradox game, to the rule you had in Chill2 where you were allowed to buy ships from other nations. Then you edited the game (thus breaking the game as defined by Paradox) to give players a favour - then we can speak about exploits or "gamey tricks" having e.g. instance ENG buying ships from Porto for 33d instead of having to pay 70d themselves.
No, it just means you read the eventfile, and tries to aviod the harmfull event while accepting the positive ones.
In that case we might as well delete all the events, harmfull as well as beneficial.
In that case we might as well delete all the events, harmfull as well as beneficial.
Aladar said:
Well, disregarding for a moment the fact that knowing the event files is a part of the skill of the game we can focus on the word "try" that you use. See, the skill in this case involves not only in how to detect these "event traps" as you seem to believe. But also: how do you avoid them? Which is the smartest way? Important questions which once again the more skilful player will answer more correctly more often than the less skilful.
We all (except FAL and perhaps you in this precise event
, I do not know of any more flagellants in our community) try to avoid the harmful events or the harmful event choices. This is the natural thing to do. Sometimes it is easy to avoid them, sometimes not, sometimes it costs money sometimes not. The skilful player will a) detect them more often
b) avoid them more often
c) and avoid them to a lesser cost in money or whatever are at stake
than what the less skilful player will.
It is the natural evolution for any game that such actions we are now talking about - and that at first are considered brilliant and highly skilled - after a while are considered standard and not involving any particular skill at all. But that is no reason to deny the fact that basically it is a matter of skill. You will always find a newbie or such that do not yet know about the standard reportoire of the seasoned veterans.
Whenever you rationally adapt to a game and that increases your outcome it is a matter of skill.
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And honerable....but i guess that's only us thinking so, since we don't do those gamey things.
Daniel A said:"Honorable"! I thought I had a patent on that character trait
Yours is old Daniel
In post 1 under the old rules, the new rules and settings will be updated during the next few weeks.
Several of the old rules needs to be modified, feel free to ad your insights to this.
Several of the old rules needs to be modified, feel free to ad your insights to this.
Aladar,
Did we actually agree to restart?
Last I looked, the vote was actually against it. And you (wisely in my opinion) decided to get it at least until the holidays.
EDIT: Also, Kasperus' map won't be doable with 1337 unless Hive-or someone-is doing/has done the mountains of work for it.
Did we actually agree to restart?
Last I looked, the vote was actually against it. And you (wisely in my opinion) decided to get it at least until the holidays.
EDIT: Also, Kasperus' map won't be doable with 1337 unless Hive-or someone-is doing/has done the mountains of work for it.
Didn't you say you were okay with it as long as we proclaimed you the winner? Which i did
I think you should continue Aladar
This Russia can be record breaking one and I belive that, after record breaking Spain with 1900 monthly, Ozzeh would like to see Forzaa's record broken
Also this could be new record for BB and England. Spain can also be near record breaking numbers because there are so few players left for the whole world. I would like all of you to continue and I'll probably come next session to hear what you have to say about EU (European Union).
This Russia can be record breaking one and I belive that, after record breaking Spain with 1900 monthly, Ozzeh would like to see Forzaa's record broken
Also this could be new record for BB and England. Spain can also be near record breaking numbers because there are so few players left for the whole world. I would like all of you to continue and I'll probably come next session to hear what you have to say about EU (European Union).
Nabukodonosor said:I think you should continue Aladar
Now when I think about it, how fun is it for everyone else to play when they already know that the Mughals will win?
Nabukodonosor said:I think you should continue Aladar
This Russia can be record breaking one and I belive that, after record breaking Spain with 1900 monthly, Ozzeh would like to see Forzaa's record broken
Also this could be new record for BB and England. Spain can also be near record breaking numbers because there are so few players left for the whole world. I would like all of you to continue and I'll probably come next session to hear what you have to say about EU (European Union).
Records in this game don't count since we started in 1337.
In a way almost no two games can be compared on an equal basis, simply because there are soo many circumstances that may differ.
Take for instance Ozzeh's SPA in Dire Straits 2 (I believe that is what Nabu refers to above). Superb income, a true record as far as I know. But what from? Well partly because of income that normally would be earned by ENG if they only had cared, which they did not. I remember asking the English player if I could not get his maps somwhere in the late 17th century because Australia was still uncolonised!!!! Then just a few years later, before I had had time to act, the gready Spaniards detected the same thing and immediately took them as well. BTW, in the same game my AUS was superbig (for AUS - I have never seen an AUS as strong (even very good trade income ). But that was not that difficult, there was no BB nor any Venice or a POL (at least not when I took over the reign in around 1580).
And in the Tursday game HoG as SPA is on his way to a record I believe. He broke the 1000d per month limit in around 1706 IIRC (as I subbed that session) - which may be a record initself - and I concluded after the session that at around 1725-1730 SPA would be unable to avoid paying ahead of time penalty for finished tech levels. I have never seen nor heard of anyone reaching such a level that quickly in MP, far from it as 1740 is the magic year for level 10 of the eco techs. But that game is also different, few nations and not that much competition on the colonial arena.
Although I just love records and setting records myself I find it very difficult in EU MP to compare games.
Take for instance Ozzeh's SPA in Dire Straits 2 (I believe that is what Nabu refers to above). Superb income, a true record as far as I know. But what from? Well partly because of income that normally would be earned by ENG if they only had cared, which they did not. I remember asking the English player if I could not get his maps somwhere in the late 17th century because Australia was still uncolonised!!!! Then just a few years later, before I had had time to act, the gready Spaniards detected the same thing and immediately took them as well. BTW, in the same game my AUS was superbig (for AUS - I have never seen an AUS as strong (even very good trade income
). But that was not that difficult, there was no BB nor any Venice or a POL (at least not when I took over the reign in around 1580).And in the Tursday game HoG as SPA is on his way to a record I believe. He broke the 1000d per month limit in around 1706 IIRC (as I subbed that session) - which may be a record initself - and I concluded after the session that at around 1725-1730 SPA would be unable to avoid paying ahead of time penalty for finished tech levels. I have never seen nor heard of anyone reaching such a level that quickly in MP, far from it as 1740 is the magic year for level 10 of the eco techs. But that game is also different, few nations and not that much competition on the colonial arena.
Although I just love records and setting records myself I find it very difficult in EU MP to compare games.
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I have a record?Nabukodonosor said:This Russia can be record breaking one and I belive that, after record breaking Spain with 1900 monthly, Ozzeh would like to see Forzaa's record broken
...don't mind me, please do restart if that's what you want
ForzaA said:I have a record?
...don't mind me, please do restart if that's what you want
Don't let it go to your head