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darthfanta

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I think it’s good to talk about what regional flavours that people might want to see in China.

Personally, I think some of the things I would like to in the area are lifestyle choices related to calligraphy and poetry. I don’t think there would or should be some kind of military styled tournament ala Western Europe. At least not amongst the elite. Nevertheless, I could see horse archery competitions being a thing. In China, two of the six arts of being a gentlemen according to Confucius were archery and charioteering.The bow was a noble’s weapon. In the warring states period, noblemen were expected to fire arrows from chariots. After chariots were phased out, this was replaced by horse archery. The emperors of China did repeatedly emphasise horse archery as a skill. The first and second Emperors of the Tang Dynasty(Gaozu and Taizong) were both noted master horse archers in their youth. In the Song Dynasty, the emperors greatly encouraged the formation of archery clubs in the North to form militias that could potentially counter invasions.

As for sport, I would like maqiu(polo) and cuju(soccer) to be depicted. Both sports were exceedingly popular amongst the upper class of society in the Tang and Song Dynasty. Cuju’s popularity eventually became widespread throughout society and it’s popularity lasted until the end of the Ming Dynasty when the Qing dynasty banned it due to it’s suspicion of men gathering in groups and potentially launching revolts.
 
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I'd like to see the inclusion of the auspiciuos rites related to the emperor, who according to Confucian values would give offerings to harmonize heaven and earth for the good of the realm. This would be done i.e. at the sacred mountain Tai, but I could live with any holy site or grand temple, as long as it is there.
 
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Since this game is all about personal drama, I hope there is a more detailed harem system. Something more than having four wives/three concubines of roughly equal status.

Something more like:
  • Lots more ranks for the wives. One main empress consort, around four or five major consorts, then modelling a lot of noble concubines (these lesser concubines could have lower fertility, as they would not be entitled to as much time with the emperor).
  • An inheritance system that accounts for the mother's status (younger son of an empress consort coming before the older child of a junior concubine)
  • Alliances from marriages are rare. Instead, Houses can gain Influence mana from the position of their female relatives in the harem, how many imperial sons they have, etc.
This could be the system in every independent Celestial realm, or independent Chinese-culture realm. The system was also similar in Korea, so it could be there as well. I believe it could also be like that in Japan (likely not for the kampaku/shogun/shikken but the actual tenno. But there would probably be other restrictions in that case like the chief consorts having to come from the kampaku's House).
 
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The popular competitive matches of 867 and 1066 are indeed different from ancient times.
at the beginning of our game, maqiu(polo), cuju, and xiangpu were considered competitive events.

Maqiu is a game played by riding a horse and hitting the ball into the goal, similar to modern polo
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Cuju is similar to football
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Xiangpu and Japanese sumo use the same characters (相撲)and look somewhat similar. However, Japanese sumo is an agricultural ritual, while Xiangpu has no religious origin, it is a professional wrestling competition,, with professional league and women's competitions
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Considering we only get one more activity the chariot race in RtP, I doubt that imperial examination would be the only activity to be added for China in AUH.
 
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The popular competitive matches of 867 and 1066 are indeed different from ancient times.
at the beginning of our game, maqiu(polo), cuju, and xiangpu were considered competitive events.

Maqiu is a game played by riding a horse and hitting the ball into the goal, similar to modern polo
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Cuju is similar to football
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Xiangpu and Japanese sumo use the same characters (相撲)and look somewhat similar. However, Japanese sumo is an agricultural ritual, while Xiangpu has no religious origin, it is a professional wrestling competition,, with professional league and women's competitions
View attachment 1319371
And women xiangpu was apparently so popular(due to the women being almost completely naked) that even Emperor Renzong of Song secretly got out of the palace with his concubines to watch it and got reprimanded by his officials for watching such a ‘vulgar’ sport.
 
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Considering we only get one more activity the chariot race in RtP, I doubt that imperial examination would be the only activity to be added for China in AUH.
If possible, I suggest creating Xiang'pu races inspired by the Byzantine chariot races. This is very similar to the logic of chariot racing; you can choose to support several Xiang‘pu teams or hire a court wrestler in your own court This was a very common form of entertainment in the society of the Song Dynasty.
 
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I’d personally prefer pruining and adding more content to previous activities over the multitude of new ones, because they are carrying some of the assumptions I don’t really appreciate.

To take the Feasts for example: you have an Activity where everyone is approachable, and you can have an Emperor-tier ruler being vomited upon by some drunk baron; and the like. IMHO it wouldn’t feel right given that the considerations for the government type are that Emperor’s vassals should interact with ministers more than Emperor.

Honestly, the cultural pillar about the power distance – and how easy it is to approach the people of the higher tiers (both in case of Activities, and e.g. through personal schemes) would be something I would love to be applied in CK3.
 
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