Yes, their latest FAQ stated the mods would update upon every launch of the game.
Edit: I guess a link would help: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/faq-paradox-mods.1602590/
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Edit: I guess a link would help: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/faq-paradox-mods.1602590/
I would appreciate it if the community managers could communicate something more official about performance. There is a lot of speculation here in the forum. It doesn't hurt to approach potential customers with transparency.
Will the high system requirements remain? Is it even realistic to provide a patch in the short or medium term that fixes at least some of the performance problems? Can the community expect the gaming experience to improve in the future without a hardware upgrade? Just make a clear announcement. What is possible, what is not? What can we expect to see?
Thanks in advance for the honesty.
Will the high system requirements remain? Is it even realistic to provide a patch in the short or medium term that fixes at least some of the performance problems? Can the community expect the gaming experience to improve in the future without a hardware upgrade? Just make a clear announcement. What is possible, what is not? What can we expect to see?
Thanks in advance for the honesty.
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if you actually think that modding, which inherently relies upon a core audience, doesnt need its core audience plattform to thrive .... you dont understand modding
and fun fact... the paradox forums arent really like, useful for anything aside from development teasers, i mean look at the paradox launcher itself, it breaks down before you even start it
there is a reason why steam modding is as big as it is, its because the plattform has been DESIGNED that way...
"modding" does not work if it doesnt have a certain foundation, community wise.... because why else would anyone make a mod for something no one is gonna play, or worse, why would you put in effort to make a mod when no one is gonna see said mod.
niche community modding works because they are extremly tight knit... paradox isnt a .... how would i say this politely...
lets just say that they dont foster community depth
nexus works, (despite its horrible issues) because its known and established as a modding plattform, workshop works because its quite easy to use (despite ITS issues) because its established and is consistent, AND is known to be a modding plattform... there are of course a few other modding plattforms like mod db and a few more obscure ones youd only really know by playing less popular titles, but still
most modding is done in very specific places, with consistent traffic... if modding doesnt have enough engagement, its gonna die VERY quickly
and this? the paradox launcher=? is gonna have the same issue as the sh-tthesda "workshop"... its not gonna promote modding, but mod piracy,,,,
you CAN NOT "create exclusivity" for modding, its against its very nature
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Will other mod platforms be supported?
No, we won't support other platforms such as Steam Workshop. We have decided to have Paradox Mods as our platform, as it allows us to have cross-platform modding compatibility. We also wanted mods to be more easily accesible in game, which we are able to do with Paradox Mods.
no quicker way to kill your game, which EXTREMLY relies upon long term engagement, than to kill modding for the majority of people who use your game, which hilariously, are on steam
yes you can mod manually, you can always mod manually
but most normies dont
also this
Will everyone experience performance issues?
It all depends on your PC configuration. Some will experience issues, some will not. It also depends on how high your graphic settings are compared to your hardware.
is a blatant lie, which has been disproven by professional testers with high end set ups... so yay for paradox
literally dead game, like why would i play this, if i can play cities one instead (not that i could even run it propperly, like yay)? really, this question STILL hasnt been answered yet....
this isnt even mentioning the other downgrades like animations/interactivity, odd issues with production chains, odd traffic behavour, the emptyness of the simulation etc
something funny tho, is that they couldnt even be bothered to grammar check their official post either lmfao. not much of an issue, really, but still funny
No, we won't support other platforms such as Steam Workshop. We have decided to have Paradox Mods as our platform, as it allows us to have cross-platform modding compatibility. We also wanted mods to be more easily accesible in game, which we are able to do with Paradox Mods.
no quicker way to kill your game, which EXTREMLY relies upon long term engagement, than to kill modding for the majority of people who use your game, which hilariously, are on steam
yes you can mod manually, you can always mod manually
but most normies dont
also this
Will everyone experience performance issues?
It all depends on your PC configuration. Some will experience issues, some will not. It also depends on how high your graphic settings are compared to your hardware.
is a blatant lie, which has been disproven by professional testers with high end set ups... so yay for paradox
literally dead game, like why would i play this, if i can play cities one instead (not that i could even run it propperly, like yay)? really, this question STILL hasnt been answered yet....
this isnt even mentioning the other downgrades like animations/interactivity, odd issues with production chains, odd traffic behavour, the emptyness of the simulation etc
something funny tho, is that they couldnt even be bothered to grammar check their official post either lmfao. not much of an issue, really, but still funny
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seriously, THERE IS NO QUICKER WAY to end the relevancy of your sandbox game... than to basically shut off modding
like yes, there will be mods, yes, there will be some people that will use the paradox modding site for their games... but the vast majority of people, wont
and again, if your modding scene is either not tight knit enough (which it wont by virtue of it being not a super niche title) OR it doesnt have the player numbers to build a stable core community.... (core community, not just community) its just gonna starve, and very quickly... i mean look at the ca saga titles for a perfect example of why not having a core community doesnt make for a healthy modding community.... which in turn doesnt allow for long term stable engagement
how modding works for dummies:
you release a game. everyone plays it
the vast majority of those people play the game for a few times and then move on.
about a third, usually, of those people will engage and be part of the community, think open forums like reddit etc (only a tiny fraction of those people will use specific forums like the paradox forum btw)
a FRACTION of this fraction will engage with modding, and thusly engage with the game long term...
AND ONLY A TINY MINISCULE FRACTION OF THIS FRACTION of the community actively engaging with the game ACTUALLY writes mods
this is the issue that corpo doesnt understand, its why sh-tthesda failed in its workshop, its why paradox will fail with its modding exclusivity...
not to mention like, the argument for "not using workshop" is console compatability... at which point i have to ask.... really? i know a PLETHORA of console games that have a healthy modding community on steam...
you would think, paradox, of all publishers, would want the most modding for their games considering how they usually build their games as long term sandbox plattforms... but apparently not
like yes, there will be mods, yes, there will be some people that will use the paradox modding site for their games... but the vast majority of people, wont
and again, if your modding scene is either not tight knit enough (which it wont by virtue of it being not a super niche title) OR it doesnt have the player numbers to build a stable core community.... (core community, not just community) its just gonna starve, and very quickly... i mean look at the ca saga titles for a perfect example of why not having a core community doesnt make for a healthy modding community.... which in turn doesnt allow for long term stable engagement
how modding works for dummies:
you release a game. everyone plays it
the vast majority of those people play the game for a few times and then move on.
about a third, usually, of those people will engage and be part of the community, think open forums like reddit etc (only a tiny fraction of those people will use specific forums like the paradox forum btw)
a FRACTION of this fraction will engage with modding, and thusly engage with the game long term...
AND ONLY A TINY MINISCULE FRACTION OF THIS FRACTION of the community actively engaging with the game ACTUALLY writes mods
this is the issue that corpo doesnt understand, its why sh-tthesda failed in its workshop, its why paradox will fail with its modding exclusivity...
not to mention like, the argument for "not using workshop" is console compatability... at which point i have to ask.... really? i know a PLETHORA of console games that have a healthy modding community on steam...
you would think, paradox, of all publishers, would want the most modding for their games considering how they usually build their games as long term sandbox plattforms... but apparently not
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you can ALWAYS do that, even if developers try their hardest to prevent this, all it takes is some elbow grease and dedication
obviously you gotta know how to code too but thats besides the point
a funny example is bannerlord, in which the dev team "hard coded" the game (with multiple renditions to "fix" the modders loopholes) in a way that didnt allow for multiplayer set ups, which got circumvented hilariously quickly by modders who were setting up a multiplayer mod for the game
acutally spawned a whole drama fest but you can read that up yourself, im not gonna spoil XD
its because you dont understand how modding works, its literally a trickle down system, but from the bottom up instead
the absolute minority of people are creating content for everyone else, but this group of people can only exist if the "conditions are ripe" so to say
think of a reverse pyramid scheme
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considering how the team leads for the diffrent projects are handling said projects it is kinda worrying, on multiple fronts
it seems paradox is heading straight for the tripple A bingo of doom, despite not being tripple A
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Maybe a short explanation for the dummies like me would help. I thought PDX or Steam workshop was only the distribution platform for mods, like eBay or Amazon are sale platforms for dealers or manufacturers. I really don't know if there is so much more about the workshop.
i love that i can mouse off the game and change the track on spotify or find a movie to watch on neflix without having to alttab away from it.
Short version - because Sony/Microsoft.
Slightly longer version - the game is effectively "locked" on consoles (because above) so code mods can't be used.
Non-code mods (assets, etc) can be used on all via Paradox Mods.
ETA - at this stage its unclear if the editors currently in beta are PC only or for console as well. If its both the consoles will hopefully be able to make their own assets (but again Sony/Microsoft)
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no, what i mean is. why can console players make their own mods instead of depending on steam players to do it for them. since most of the mods cant be used on consoles in the first place.
I think you might have missed this part of my post:
CS2 is going to use Paradox mods instead of Steam so all players can access mods (assets).
Behind the Scenes #1: Modding
Greetings everyone. We have a new mini-series of development diaries as we count down to the release of Cities: Skylines II. In this series, we take you behind the scenes of development sharing some of our processes and philosophy behind certain...
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which hilariously will mean no one is gonna do any modding
who is gonna write mods if the freaking paradox workshop is the only place for your modding
also like.... seriously why would oyu play a city builder on console anyways like... i dont get it
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bro, not everyone has a gaming PC, or is willing to buy one. most casual players get a console and play it for maybe an hour a day. Some of them also like the idea of building cities, or have watched a streamer play CS and want to do so as well. It's great that they have the option, and I'm more than alright with them getting free assets in the form of mods instead of forcing them to buy content creator packs and the likes.
What's absolutely ridiculous is forcing the Paradox platform on PC players with the flimsy pretense of helping console players getting mods (which they won't).
What the executives really responsible for this decision don't realize is that the first CS was not a success thanks to the 46 DLCs they pumped out, but thanks to the modding scene that made the game playable in the first place by fixing the absolute foundations of every city: roads and services.
And if they make it inconvenient to use mods, less people will do so, and less people will feel motivated to make mods in the first place as a result, and with even less mods to chose from, people will be even less motivated to search for them, and so on in a vicious cycle that'll lead to very few people buying the DLCs and the game getting cancelled in a couple of years.
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