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Corporatejive

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At the moment I'm playing through a CK game that has gone outrageously well for me. Usually I can get myself to a position where I've got a few king titles and a couple of dozen duke vassals, but now due to a series of fortuitous events I find myself emperor of Byzantium and holder of all the Christian king titles available, with an empire encompassing every province bar a few stragglers in the Middle East and eastern Russia.

The problem that I'm having is every time there's a succession I end up with two dozen wars with different vassals that take years to put down. There's too many to bribe (140+ dukes and over a hundred counts) and I already have 0 scuttage and feudal contract in place to improve loyalty. I prep my heir by giving him a large king title (usually Germany) from maturity in order to boost his prestige so that he takes less of a loyalty hit on succession, but nothing seems to help. Thus far I've managed to avoid realm duress and have +3 stability but its only 1278 and I'm fairly certain my luck won't hold until 1453. Is there anything more I can be doing to facilitate a smooth succession?
 
Realm management can be very tedious
i usually have semi-salic consanguinity and i give a bunch of duke titles to the heir with most intrigue
apart from that i try to give duke titles only to people related to me... eventually they end up amassing a few duke titles together through inheritance so i make them give some of them up... usually with money and nice words and rarely with war... what all that means is some successions are smoother as in i only have a handful of vassals at 0 that i have to bribe and frankly it never gets any better than that
maybe it isnt a good idea to give king titles away even to your heir as he practically becomes a rival ...one time as king of rus my heir inherited a duchy in bulgaria and become a vassal of Byzantium so we ended up fighting to the death in that area which goes to prove blood relations dont insure peace
 
Part of the problem is that I'm pretty sure anything over 50 direct vassals means you're going to have massive problems with revolts. If you don't mind breaking up your empire, I'd probably start handing out some of the King titles to relatives that aren't in direct succession. Make a brother the King of England/Scotland/Wales/Ireland, make a cousin the King of Norway/Denmark/Sweden, etc etc. Another thing that you can try to do is revoke the direct count vassals you have and give them to the dukes, although that is only a partial fix. A way to cheese the system is to make massive Archbishoprics, since they have no demesne penalty.

And prestige has no influence on the vassal loyalty hit on succession, IIRC. It's a flat -50% loyalty. A higher prestige does help in making up for that penalty faster though.
 
CK is designed to try and break up gigantic realms like yours, either through rebellions or through events to try and force gavelkind on you. CK isn't really a world conquest game.
 
CK is designed to try and break up gigantic realms like yours, either through rebellions or through events to try and force gavelkind on you. CK isn't really a world conquest game.

Totally agree that it isn't a world conquest game. However, I'm treating this as a bull riding exercise - seeing how long I can last before I get bucked off.

Its 1370 now but I've got a crazed emperor... fun times ahead I think :)