Wrong, events can fire for non-existent countries. Many mods use this fact for "Under the hood" events.
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Wrong, events can fire for non-existent countries. Many mods use this fact for "Under the hood" events.
They did not have a government. We're not talking Victorian times here. In the war of the roses, I doubt either side had a government. In the second Civil War, I'm pretty certain Charles I didn't have a government.
And you will need flags. Or would you make it random? Spain is in a civil war with a country that's flag is taken from an African OPM. Yeah that wouldn't be weird.
Spain is in a civil war, well what are type are the rebels? Nationalist, patriot, etc? It would depend. I would say they had a government, at least a group of ruling people not very different from what the ruling party at the time had.
They don't work in Victoria 2.
I do not think two tags per nation is really needed. Think about it this way. There are numerous OPMs in the game, and already several tags that are not even used.
The system would have to be handled via event but lets take France as an example. If a civil war arose, for this sake lets say a succession crisis, and the pretender is rising in the south. One of the French minors, say Dauphine would be used. If Dauphine manages to defeat France and take the French throne, an event would fire changing the tag back to France.
This would work for England, Russia, Spain, Austria, Italy, Germany, Ireland, Eastern Europe, China, Indochina, India, Central Asia, and the Middle East all have tags that should be vacant. In the case that this is not possible, then a set of generic rebel faction tags could exist where the display name would be dynamic. In the case of a revolutionary civil war the name could be Revolutionary X where X is the country name from which these rebels are rebelling from.
Also, there should be a minimum province count for where a civil war can fire.
I feel this could be entirely possible as long as some sort of flag was placed on a nation like "rebel nation" which would be the check for the tag switch.
The system would have to be handled via event but lets take France as an example. If a civil war arose, for this sake lets say a succession crisis, and the pretender is rising in the south. One of the French minors, say Dauphine would be used. If Dauphine manages to defeat France and take the French throne, an event would fire changing the tag back to France.
This would work for England, Russia, Spain, Austria, Italy, Germany, Ireland, Eastern Europe, China, Indochina, India, Central Asia, and the Middle East all have tags that should be vacant. In the case that this is not possible, then a set of generic rebel faction tags could exist where the display name would be dynamic. In the case of a revolutionary civil war the name could be Revolutionary X where X is the country name from which these rebels are rebelling from.
Also, there should be a minimum province count for where a civil war can fire.
I feel this could be entirely possible as long as some sort of flag was placed on a nation like "rebel nation" which would be the check for the tag switch.
In EU3, Spain can have Catalonia, Castille, Aragon, Granada and Galicia as flags and tags to use in a civil war. Would it be weird seeing the tag "Galicia" in Leon, or Granada in Andalusia, probably but that, to me at least, is better than adding in an absurd number of tags and flags as well as being better than the quite frankly, crappy rebels we have now.
Not if they are created dynamically when a rebellion occurs, and eliminated once the rebellion is over.
Actually in all cases they had 'governments' with territories they controlled- these wars could not have lasted so many years if they had not been able to raise taxes and troops.
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I think it would be far better to have 2 tags, rebel and Loyalist, just my 2 cents though.
I can agree on making it possible for troops, leaders and entire areas joining the rebels, simply becoming controlled by that type of rebels with the same goal as currently existing rebels with the potentially defecting leaders well leading those armies. That would just be an extension of the current rebel system.
The amount of work needed would increase exponentially beyond that.
The amount of work needed would increase exponentially beyond that.
I agree, the EU:ROME civil wars have been the best Civil wars as portrayed in a Paradox Game as of yet.
Perhaps there can be generic rebel tags? For example, there could be one tag for each religion and perhaps one tag for each major sub-region or culture group.
Civil war events would spawn an appropriate tag into existence, with appropriate culture, religion, and government type. If they win the war, they immediately tag-switch.
Of course, this could in theory lead to problems where a tag that should be used by one country is already fighting a civil war in another country, but if the exact same tag fits the situations in both countries, then it might make sense to just unite both rebellions under the one tag. The tag switch upon victory would be to the tag with more cores, though if only one loyalist faction is defeated in the first bout of war, then the rebels could just seize that tag regardless of its claims.
Civil war events would spawn an appropriate tag into existence, with appropriate culture, religion, and government type. If they win the war, they immediately tag-switch.
Of course, this could in theory lead to problems where a tag that should be used by one country is already fighting a civil war in another country, but if the exact same tag fits the situations in both countries, then it might make sense to just unite both rebellions under the one tag. The tag switch upon victory would be to the tag with more cores, though if only one loyalist faction is defeated in the first bout of war, then the rebels could just seize that tag regardless of its claims.