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CK events for Byzantium

This is a thread for CK events for the Byzantine/Roman empire and the Balkans...
The meta-thread for CK events is here.

According to Crook in the FAQ-thread, Snowball has started collecting events for Russia.
I was wondering if we should try doing the same. I suppose we should try following a template of sorts, this is a suggestion only:

Code: 
Event Date
Event Location
Event Name
Event Description
Event Effect in RL (short term)
Source

Sergei points out below that events should primarily be of *special* or *less-known* character that enrich the gaming experience. The ideas don't need to be very detailed, which will also allow the developers to tweak the events.
 
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Hm what about Bulgaria, the Latin Empire and Serbia, do we post events for them here?

Btw i wonder if orthodox countries will be playable at all with all this talk about relations with the pope and piety. But if they are copllecting russian events i guess they will be.
 
I would suggest starting a new thread if you think it is needed, otherwise post where you think it is appropriate. If you start a new thread please post in the sticky meta thread for CK events so I can make sure the thread is not lost.
 
Ok I can add them to Byzantium or you can create a CK events for the Balkans thread, which one is better do you think?
 
Yeah like, Bulguria, how Basil blinded Bulgrian rebels, then again that was early 11th century but still they interacted alot. Like, Serbia was interacted with Byzantine alot of time, mostly, it was the same events. Byzantine was the dominant force in Balkan until 4th Crusade with Latin Kingdoms there.
 
Originally posted by Zhai
Yeah like, Bulguria, how Basil blinded Bulgrian rebels, then again that was early 11th century but still they interacted alot. Like, Serbia was interacted with Byzantine alot of time, mostly, it was the same events. Byzantine was the dominant force in Balkan until 4th Crusade with Latin Kingdoms there.
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Rebels? :confused: Hm you seem to have a strange idea about our history.
 
Cmon it's the Byzantine Empire we're talking about, it considers half of Europe, the Middle-East and North Africa 'rebels' ;)
 
Yeah, when I play as Byzantines, I shall crush those rebels who never ever live under my rule. Hell, the world is in revolt against ME!
 
Originally posted by zmeiat joro


He's also a greek who ordered a few thousand prisoners to be blinded because he was losing a war. He's also a greek who lived a thousand years ago :D
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Um you are talking about Basil II the Bulgar-Slayer? He was crushing Arab Emirates and winning wars against the powerful Fatamid Caliphate I dont think he really considered the Bulgarians any more then a nuissance who were pretty much finished by John Tzimices and the Russians anyway. While he was busy in the Middle East the Bulgarians under Tsar Samuel (the so called Dux Dalmatiae) conquered some territory but when the Emperor got back he crushed the Bulgarians in one battle at Cimbalongus. In the face of the Imperial Army the Bulgars broke and ran and 15000 prisoners were taken and 99 out of every 100 were blinded and sent back to Tsar Samuel who died at the sight, though he was already a very sick man. Yeah that Basil was a ruthless guy. As far as I am aware Basil never even lost a battle much less a war, in fact Basil annexed Bulgaria in 1018 but that is rather common knowledge. We are talking about the Byzantine Empire at the height of its power here. I hardly think the Bulgars running around making trouble while the Byzantines were fighting the Arabs counts as them winning the war ;).
 
One of the main causes of the revolt was the Byzantine policy of replacing the Bulgarian aristocracy with Greeks. And there was not really a period without Bulgarian revolts, unlike during the Ottoman yoke. So it was hardly just taking advantage of the wars with the Arabs (which btw could have take Constantinopole much earlier, in 716 if khan Tervel had let them rather than saving the Byzantines).

I said was losing the war not lost the war because IIRC he blinded them after his army was surrounded by another Bulgarian force.
 
Originally posted by zmeiat joro
One of the main causes of the revolt was the Byzantine policy of replacing the Bulgarian aristocracy with Greeks. And there was not really a period without Bulgarian revolts, unlike during the Ottoman yoke. So it was hardly just taking advantage of the wars with the Arabs (which btw could have take Constantinopole much earlier, in 716 if khan Tervel had let them rather than saving the Byzantines).

I said was losing the war not lost the war because IIRC he blinded them after his army was surrounded by another Bulgarian force.
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Wow I have never heard that he was surrounded by another Bulgarian force. I have read many accounts of that battle and not one ever mentioned even the existance of a nearby Bulgarian army much less one that had him surrounded. In Norwich all it says is:

"That battle was fought in the narrow defile of Cimbalongus, leading from Serrae into the valley of the Upper Struma. It ended suddenly when the Bulgars, taken by surprise, panicked and fled; some 15,000 were captured. It was now that Basil meted out the punishment that he is chiefly remembered. Of each hundred prisoners, ninety-nine were blinded; to one man a single eye was left, that he might conduct the remiander to the presence of their king."

I have read similar things in all other sources and it seems clear that the battle of Cimbalongus was the climax of the Basil's conquest.

You misunderstood me. I never said the Bulgars were wrong in fighting Byzantium. I said that they only won their victories because Basil was away fighting the Arabs. At the beginning of their rule the Ottomans were supportive of the Orthodox church and treated their christian subjects rather well so they came to be seen as enlightened rulers. This of course changed in the 17th century when corruption took its fatal grasp on the Ottoman state and as they declined from prominence their tolerance for their Christian subjects declined as well. But since they put Islamic Pashas in charge even from the beginning they were at least guilty of the same outrage commited by the Byzantines. You know when you win your followers expect rewards and the concept that Bulgaria was the property of the Bulgar people is not a Medieval one it is Modern.

My understanding was the Arabs were all but beaten in 716 thanks to Greek Fire (out of 1,800 Arab ships only 5 returned), a horrendous winter, and a well planned defense by Emperor Leo III and that the Bulgars arrival was the Coup De Grace. Also that the Bulgars didn't do it out of the kindness of their hearts but because they wanted the city for themselves. While the Bulgar intervention greatly aided the defenders and was a major factor in the Arabian defeat there is no evidence to suggest that Constantinople was close to falling when the Bulgars attacked.
 
Originally posted by Aetius
What happened to the Volga Bulgars BTW?
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Oh, they're doing just fine, this pop star of theirs, Alsu was on a tour in our coutry last week. They're a autonomous republic in the Russian federation, Tatarstan (russians call them tatars). I rememeber they had a referendum to be called Bulgaristan, don't know what happened.
 
* 1186
* Croatia / Venice
* Zara revolts against Venice
* Zara (present-day Zadar, Croatia), previously part of the Venetian republic, rebelled against Venice and allied itself with Hungary, posing competition to Venice's maritime trade.
* If the place is big enough to have a province of its own, it should be transferred from Venice to Hungary, giving Venice a Casus Belli (they have a claim on the province). Otherwise, I'm not sure how it should be represented (besides Venice getting a temporary Casus Belli against Hungary)...
* Source: http://timelines.ws/1100_1199.HTML
 
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