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neogamingo10

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One line summary of your issue
3.0.1.1 (NNDO) Ironman saves becoming un-ironman after a reload

Game Version
3.0.1.1 (NNDO)

What expansions do you have installed?
Jade Dragon,
Monks & Mystics,
The Reapers Due,
Conclave,
Horse Lords,
Way of Life,
Charlemagne,
Rajas of India,
Sons of Abraham,
The Old Gods,
The Republic,
Legacy of Rome,
Sword of Islam,
Holy Fury, All of the above

Do you have mods enabled?
No

Please explain your issue is in as much detail as possible.
To start off I don't play with mods at all. I haven't played multiplayer recently and from what I know there are issues with the way CK2 saves its files at least in the version I play.

This is what I'm going to explain first, my feelings of why I am upset about how this bug is still a thing and why its a problem, second I'm going to explain the best I can how this bug killed my last save, while showing proof that indeed it was a ironman save and the third I recreated what happened with a new save and loaded it to show how it becomes unironman, lets begin.

1) Okay so my feeling about this is I am mad posting this exact bug twice on the bug reports and I have gotten no response from anyone on staff and others that also have this problem haven't been noticed from what I have seen.

This keeps happening and this is the bug that not only myself wants fixed. I know others do as well very much since we have to make a new game every time we want to get a new achievement which frankly is bullshit because we can't reload a save to finish a save game so Paradox's 769-1453 achievement or Persistent Survivor and others that are end game will never be achieved by these players if this bug continues.

2) So on to my recent game, the images below is what I refer too when I am putting a number in a sentence:

In 45 is what I had before it became un-ironman, again this is very upsetting and you can see it is ironman in the bottom right hand corner, check 47 if you don't believe me.

In 46 is there to prove the save is un-ironman which it was ironman before I just got the Zoroastrian achievement that shows in 61. If you still don't believe this, click this link its my profile on steam that shows I earned the achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/id/caringisdaring/stats/appid/203770/achievements

In 62 this error showed up and I still don't know what it means but has happened before.

In 46 it shows that I have rules turned off that is bullshit, if you look through 48-59 you can see how I set up my rules and it is ironman compatible.

3) If you looked over my rules that I have with my game it shows that it is once again on ck2_7 which this game is a new save, brand new 1 January, 769.

I reload the game and check the rules and I see this with that save I show in ck2_7, but look at ck2_9 if you still think this isn't a problem. ck2_8 is there to show I did it.

So I explained this all before and its that when you reload a ironman save game it becomes un-ironman. Thats it. Oh and the version is 3.0.1.1 (NNDO) by the way.

Steps to reproduce the issue.
Step 1:
Make a new ironman game with the version of 3.0.1.1 (NNDO) and use all of the same rules shown in images 48-59 while choosing any nation in a 769 start;

Step 2:
Quit out of the game;

Step 3:
Reload the same ironman save and check the rules to see if they changed differently from the images provided below.

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Game rules changing isn't only an Ironman issue. It's doing the same to me on my current non Ironman playthrough. I've even tried editing the save file by re adding the rules. Every time I reload they get turned off again
 
Hi all,

First of all thank you all for reporting this bug and sorry for not getting a response to you sooner.

I agree that this is a serious issue. Lets get it fixed!

There is currently a known issue where loading an iron man save after starting a new non iron man game will result in a warning that achievements are disabled (due to not being in iron man mode). However, if this warning is ignored achievements can still be earned. This was verified by me and another tester separately today.

From your posts (and from other a few other threads like this one) I get the impression that there is a related issue with the game rules that can in fact stop you from earning achievements. Currently investigating how to reproduce this!
 
When I get home I will try to upload a before and after save to try and help out. Because this is pretty game breaking for me, because literally all invasions, and most other immersion based rules are completely turned off.
 
Sorry, no news yet. I did try to reproduce this myself last week but couldn't reliably do so following the steps in the OP (I think I succeeded on my first try but weren't able to confirm that I did). Will try again from the start some time this week but if either of you have any additional information on exactly when this issue occurs that would be very helpful!
 
All I have to do is start a new game, Ironman or not. Save it. And when I reload the save, either from the launcher or the main menu, and all the game rules are changed. I've tried it with compressed and uncompressed saves. Custom name save, the generic save name. Nothing seems to work. Like I've said even after editing the save to make sure the game rules are set how I want them, as soon as I reload they always revert.
 
All I have to do is start a new game, Ironman or not. Save it. And when I reload the save, either from the launcher or the main menu, and all the game rules are changed. I've tried it with compressed and uncompressed saves. Custom name save, the generic save name. Nothing seems to work. Like I've said even after editing the save to make sure the game rules are set how I want them, as soon as I reload they always revert.

Is that regardless of what settings you are using? Does it happen even if you use the default rules with 1-2 rules changed at random? Thinking this might be related to either one of the settings in particular (or a category of settings), or to the exact sequence of starting new games, changing rules, saving and reloading.

Did two quick tests now using ONDO 3.0.1.1 where I changed a number of rules (epidemics, Mongol and Aztec invasions etc.) and took note of what settings I chose, let the game play for a little bit, saved, quit the game, restarted, loaded the save and checked the settings. None of them had changed.

To be clear I agree that there seems to be some kind of issue with game rules either changing or being displayed incorrectly. The question is just how to reliably reproduce it so the cause can be found and fixed. Will set aside some time to try one more time following the exact steps of the OP some time this week!
 
I haven't tried doing it with default rules. I have only tried it using the rules in the "Rise_of_the_Northern_Wolves.ck2" save.
I can confirm that it reverts to the rules shown in the "Rise_of_the_Northern_Wolves_TEST.ck2" save every time. I will attempt to see if it changes using the default rule set.