CK II - Mothers breastfeed corpses

[Karlington]

One line summary of your issue
Mothers breastfeed corpses

Game Version
3.2.1 (AZCE)

What expansions do you have installed?
All of the above

Do you have mods enabled?
No

Please explain your issue is in as much detail as possible.
When the child of a mother with the breastfeeding modifier (breastfeeding_infant) dies, she will keep the modifier for the full length of time.

I'm attaching a screenshot where I murdered a woman's baby yet she still has the modifier, with over a year left.

(I had already murdered its sibling, so she's not just pulling a Lysa Arryn.)

Steps to reproduce the issue.
1. Kill the child of a breastfeeding mother.

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[Semigall]

What if that's WAD ? It's not like we can always hold funerals in unmodded CK2, so technically we don't really know what happens with the corpse. And even nowadays there are people who choose to keep their dead relative's corpse around... until the authorities find out, of course.

 

[Karlington]

What if that's WAD ? It's not like we can always hold funerals in unmodded CK2, so technically we don't really know what happens with the corpse. And even nowadays there are people who choose to keep their dead relative's corpse around... until the authorities find out, of course.

Mothers breastfeeding their child's rotting corpse for up to 2 years is WAI? While that's theoretically possible, I highly doubt that was the developers' intent.

 

[Spaninq]

Just because the woman's baby died doesn't mean her body stops producing milk. The woman could be *wet nursing* other babies.

 

[JasonFerrman]

Just because the woman's baby died doesn't mean her body stops producing milk. The woman could be *wet nursing* other babies.

while that would make a neat minor title. it is highly unlikely that is the case.

 

[Karlington]

Just because the woman's baby died doesn't mean her body stops producing milk. The woman could be *wet nursing* other babies.

A medieval noble lady serving as a wet nurse? And note that the same thing happens even with an empress regnant. This would never happen.

It will also happen even if there aren't even any children in the court.

This is clearly a programming oversight. I do find it amusing that people come in here and try to argue that this is somehow the way things should be, though I wonder what their motivation is?

 

[Semigall]

I wonder what their motivation is?

You will find that out once you clock in couple more thousands of hours of CK2

 

[Karlington]

You will find that out once you clock in couple more thousands of hours of CK2

A few thousand more hours of CK2 will give me psychological insight into the motivation of people trying to rationalize mothers breastfeeding dead children on the forums? I somehow doubt that.

PS. I'm getting close to 3,000 hours already! How many hours does it take to gain this insight!?

 

[Spaninq]

while that would make a neat minor title. it is highly unlikely that is the case.

A medieval noble lady serving as a wet nurse? And note that the same thing happens even with an empress regnant. This would never happen.

It will also happen even if there aren't even any children in the court.

This is clearly a programming oversight. I do find it amusing that people come in here and try to argue that this is somehow the way things should be, though I wonder what their motivation is?

Okay, apparently I didn't post the rest of my thought-process like I thought I did.

Right after women give birth, there are a ton of hormonal changes that take effect. For example, the mother's breasts will grow, and milk will be produced *whether or not there's a baby to feed from it* (at least for a week, and we know that any modifier in-game that normally lasts a week irl [say, the flu] can take months to disappear in-game). Now, if you want to go into semantics about what this hormonal change should be called in-game when the baby dies, have at it. But for the most part, breastfeeding is the best term that I can think of to fit this hormonal modifier to the female body. That being said, perhaps you might think of a better non-immersion-breaking term that represents this set of hormonal changes.

 

[Karlington]

Okay, apparently I didn't post the rest of my thought-process like I thought I did.

Not to worry, I think we've all done this many times.

Right after women give birth, there are a ton of hormonal changes that take effect. For example, the mother's breasts will grow, and milk will be produced *whether or not there's a baby to feed from it* (at least for a week, and we know that any modifier in-game that normally lasts a week irl [say, the flu] can take months to disappear in-game). Now, if you want to go into semantics about what this hormonal change should be called in-game when the baby dies, have at it. But for the most part, breastfeeding is the best term that I can think of to fit this hormonal modifier to the female body. That being said, perhaps you might think of a better non-immersion-breaking term that represents this set of hormonal changes.

In-game the breastfeeding modifier only represents actual breastfeeding. It's only added when the mother bonds especially closely with a child and chooses to breastfeed it personally rather than using a wet nurse. In all other births the modifier is not added, so the modifier only represents the actual physical breastfeeding, not any hormonal changes associated with births.

With that in mind, I don't think it makes any sense for the modifier to stay when the child that was being breastfed is dead.