CK II - Open Succession Does Not Always Show Correct Line Of Succession When Examined

[kaczynskisatva]

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Open Succession Does Not Show Correct Line Of Succession When Examined

Game Version
3.3.0

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Do you have mods enabled?
No

Please explain your issue is in as much detail as possible.
Open Succession does not show the correct line of succession, when examined. Or, viewed another way - the line of succession changes when it moves. For example, the succession may show A -> B -> C, but once A dies, it will show B -> D -> E -> C, because D and E are sons of B. It sometimes has to do with the order in which people are removed from the line of succession, so that, for example, in order to get to C, you have to kill B before you kill A.

The end result of this, is that you, the player, end up saving, >charinfo, a series of >kill ###, and then loading, to explore how the line of succession actually works for the realm in question. Another cruel penalty to ironman players and casuals who do not have the console commands, and a de-immersive nuisance for the rest of us.

Steps to reproduce the issue.
- Load a game in which there are any realms with open succession
- If it's a new game, let the game run itself for 20-50 years to correctly populate entangled lines of succession, as they are artifically clean at start
- Observe the line of succession, save, and start killing your way down the line of succession with console command
- Observe how, in most cases, the line of succession changes once it is moved down
- This can happen because the line of succession shown skips heirs of the heir, and instead shows who would be the second heir of the primary title holder if the first heir was, himself, heirless, but happens for other reasons I do not fully understand
- Realize that you murdered some guy's brothers to bump him them of a line of succession he wasn't actually a part of, and mourn - not for his brothers, but for your lost gold and plot opportunity time
- Write a strongly worded letter to Paradox Studios, demanding a refund of your gold, and a voucher for one year of free murder attempts
- Wait (you are here)

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[kaczynskisatva]

Addendum:

It may be that an entirely new display scheme is necessary to show succession, and that this is problem is not limited to Open. For example, if the succession line is A -> B -> C, three brothers, where B and C both have sons, then logically, if A dies, B inherits, and then his sons will inherit before C does, switching it to D -> E -> C.

But, if B dies before A, then the line of succession will be A -> C, and B's sons will never enter into it.

So, what you actually want for lines of succession, is a display showing both the horizontal line, and vertical lines descending from it, showing what the line of succession will be if it is moved down. Something like:

A -> B -> C -> G -> H
----- v --- v --------- v
----- D -- F ---------- I
----- v
----- E

Where, in this case, H is also the first heir of G, as well as the 5th heir of A.

So, ultimately, I'm not sure if this culminates in a bug report, or a suggestion. I've only had this problem with Open Succession, but I haven't tried to reproduce it with other succession schemes.