I think CK is going to be my favorite Paradox Entertainment. I am a history buff and the medieval time period is my favorite. Hope this game comes out soon. I can't wait! I will enjoy Victoria until Crusader Kings. Keep up the good work guys!
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Medieval history is very, very nice to study about in reality. For sure we'll love CK when it's out. You have reason!
I felt in love with medieval history since I was just 10 years old. It was that year when I read "Ivanhoe" (spelling?) by Walter Scott. The other title of the period that I also love a lot is about the Polish - Teutons war, I do not remember the title - it's written by a Polish writter (Senkevich?).
I remember, it was probably about 2 year ago, it was a poll on these boards, just after EU2 went gold - "In what period you would like to see the next game from Paradox", or something like this. I went with medieval period, but unfortunately it had the lowest support as it will come the latest on the market. But it will not be the latest, if Paradox will also produce a game on Romans period.
I remember, it was probably about 2 year ago, it was a poll on these boards, just after EU2 went gold - "In what period you would like to see the next game from Paradox", or something like this. I went with medieval period, but unfortunately it had the lowest support as it will come the latest on the market. But it will not be the latest, if Paradox will also produce a game on Romans period.
Yes, the Teutonic Knights by Sienkiewicz, decent book, a lil too 19th century though (oh not to mention blatant hatred of everything German, but that`s understandable coming from a man who lived under Prussian rule
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CK may prove yet to be my favorite game. But it has a long way to go to overcome the tarnishment of the "extended" development time.
Unfortunately the "extended" develpment does not necessarily mean an improved game. It just means we will have to wait longer for a game which will need a lot of post-release support. Fortunately Paradox excels at post-release support. And that is the only reason CK will make it to my hard drive.
(O.K. I lied. I like the medieval period so much that I would probably get the game anyway. I'm such a sucker for anything resembling a reasonably good medieval game - except for the clickfest M:TW kind of games.)
Unfortunately the "extended" develpment does not necessarily mean an improved game. It just means we will have to wait longer for a game which will need a lot of post-release support. Fortunately Paradox excels at post-release support. And that is the only reason CK will make it to my hard drive.
(O.K. I lied. I like the medieval period so much that I would probably get the game anyway. I'm such a sucker for anything resembling a reasonably good medieval game - except for the clickfest M:TW kind of games.)
I don't think "public support" is the reason that the development of CK has been delayed so much....
Lets try and have a can do attitude for this one eh? 2 years in development should mean LESS post release support. Ck will be my favorite Paradox game because it will finally break the stigma of the others of being released buggy, unstable and needing to be patched.
I just hope MooSyndrome doesn't kick in; Long development time, rewrites combined with high expectations
I still think it's too soon for people to be jumping to such conclusions...EITHER way.
Originally posted by Dinsdale
I just hope MooSyndrome doesn't kick in; Long development time, rewrites combined with high expectations
I don't think this game is being anticipated by quite as large a population as MOO3, though....
I'm anticipating it though
Funnily enough, I never played the earlier MOOs and I liked Moo3, aside from the shoddy release and outstanding bugs.
I'm sure Paradox will sort out CK, but I don't think we should expect a game more polished, or more complete because of the extra time.
Why not? Why not expect more if its been in development for so long?
Cripes, lets expect more, not the same, release with a patch. Its been two dam years, lets get it right this time !
Everyone all aboard.....
I think he's just speaking realistically....
You can expect whatever you want from the game, but if you expect a release in a significantly different state than all the other games released by Paradox, I'd say you'll probably be disappointed. In fact, I'd expect it to be more buggy than average, because of everything that went on with Snowball.
You might be right Marcus. I just expect more, nothing wrong with that in my opinion I understand not everyone shares my anticipation for a higher standard. If members want to gear up for a release, with a patch, fine, Im simply expecting a little more based on the development time.
I dont put much weight on "everything that went down with snowball" because after paying very close attention to these boards I have yet to see anything that suggests to me that anything but a working beta of CK was delivered to Paradox. Which is what was expected of Snowball from the posts I have read.
This isnt a slight on you Marcus you just happened to reply inferring the same thing that a lot of other members have, but for all of you who seem to be in the know as to "everything that went down with snowball" enlighten those of us who havent heard.
Sorry but I learned long ago not to believe insinuation on the web, havent seen much in the way of fact just a few dozen posts that equal nothing more then hersay and rumor. Its your cash, want to spend it on a product you have waited 2 years for that you assert will be buggy and flawed? thats your choice, myself I want a little more. From what I hear on ICQ Vicky has been a good release, stable and no major game flaws, a major step forward from HOI release is what I am getting from some of the people I chat with.
Thats a positive so I have no reason to believe that CK wont be a smoother, cleaner release then CK. If you want to lower your expectations be my guest, but from what I am seeing the evidence is quite the contrary, years of developement, months of beta testing and lessons learned from EU, EUII, HOI, and Vicky affirm my position that CK will be the best, cleanest paradox release yet.
Expect more from the companies you give your money to, not less, you deserve CK to be the benchmark by which all Paradox games going forward are measured by. Expecting less or even "status quo" is selling yourself short as the buyer before you have even made the purchase.... Why?
Odin,
I understand that you expect something extra given the development time. EU2, HOI, VIC all took ~ 1 year to make, CK has been around 2 years. Now I don't think that anyone here has the money to invest double into a game where the appeal may be even more limited, so I anticipate that development has taken longer for other reasons.
Before Snowball stopped communicating here there was mention that this was a new engine, that's obviously a lot of overhead which HOI and VIC didn't need (those tweaked EU) and perhaps other unforseen issues.
I hope the game is going to be great, but I don't see anything which leads me to believe we're on the verge of some groundbreaking new engine.
I think you have a great attitude and I hope you're correct. I just find it hard to believe that this will be anything different from EU, EU2, HOI and VIC (I don't have it yet and already people are talking about 1.02)
I understand that you expect something extra given the development time. EU2, HOI, VIC all took ~ 1 year to make, CK has been around 2 years. Now I don't think that anyone here has the money to invest double into a game where the appeal may be even more limited, so I anticipate that development has taken longer for other reasons.
Before Snowball stopped communicating here there was mention that this was a new engine, that's obviously a lot of overhead which HOI and VIC didn't need (those tweaked EU) and perhaps other unforseen issues.
I hope the game is going to be great, but I don't see anything which leads me to believe we're on the verge of some groundbreaking new engine.
I think you have a great attitude and I hope you're correct. I just find it hard to believe that this will be anything different from EU, EU2, HOI and VIC (I don't have it yet and already people are talking about 1.02)
Well, it's not exactly a secret, you know....
According to UD on the Apolyton forum (which was directly linked from here, I believe), there were some major problems with the game when it was received from Snowball, and Johan had to spend much time repairing it to a workable state.
From what I've seen of UD's posts both here and in other forums, he generally knows what he's talking about, and won't post something that is simply "insinuation" - it will be backed up by pretty solid facts. Thus, there is plenty of reason to believe that Snowball didn't deliver as they should have.
I certainly want a little more as well - I guess I'm just a little less optimistic than you. To me, there's a difference between expecting a less buggy product because you think it *should* be that way and expecting it to be less buggy based on some sort of evidence. In fact, what little evidence we have points to a more buggy release instead of a less buggy one. I can only hope that with the beta testing run by Paradox, they'll be able to correct whatever may have been wrong with the game as deliveded by Snowball (as had been indicated by UD).
I think perhaps we are using the word "expect" in a slightly different way. As a consumer, I "expect" when I pay for a game to have it playable out of the box (as do you, I gather
). I'm just not all that suprised when a game does need a patch, given that it's been that way for nearly every game I've bought in years. Thus, I realistically "expect" to have to patch a game a few times after I buy it, but I still hope that won't be the case.