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Originally posted by Odin1970

Originally posted by Scythe
b)Victoria (a newer game) shows that Paradox games still need patches after release. This model/policy hasn't changed. You might not like it, but it's been proven that it continues to be the case.
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I dont forsee CK not needing a patch. What I do hope for is that if dosent need patching for bugs or stability issues, that hope is based on longer development time for CK, which we disagree as to how it was used or its productivity. The fact that Victoria was released with a patch tells me that it was shipped without all the developers changes in, thats what I dont want to see. I dont want a god dam download to *tweek* something before I have even bought it. GET IT IN THE GOLD VERSION. That so hard? even with 3 months develepment time ?
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It took about a month from when Victoria went gold until it appeared in stores. To me, the fact that a patch appears almost before the game itself is out is an indication that the development team didn't just mope around during that time, but kept working on the product, fixing the minor stuff that weren't worth delaying the release over. As for further patches, bugs are going to appear post-release, no matter how much development and testing went into the game.

Generally, I think that Victoria is the best Paradox game so far, at least technically. I have experienced no CTD's or other major problems so far - something that was quite a nuisance for me with EU2 - and only minor bugs otherwise.

Getting back on-topic, I do certainly hope that CK will live up to or perhaps exceed that standard, but as has been mentioned earlier, both the lack of information about the game and the apparent dual-developer situation might cause one to have certain concerns.

But in any case, I'm such a fanatic - about both Paradox and the period - that I'll probably buy it no matter what. :D
 
Originally posted by AKjeldsen
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But in any case, I'm such a fanatic - about both Paradox and the period - that I'll probably buy it no matter what. :D
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Agreed!!!:) :cool:
 
I chat with about 6-7 people from my MP days with HOI, several have Victoria and tell me its a great game and exceeds the HOI release as far as bugs and stability. All the more reason to maintain my level of expectations. The information exchange is a little disheartening but dosent necessarily mean that CK isnt going well, it may infact mean its going so well there isnt any time to come up with the words to describe just how good it will be :D

You can take your boots off, Im done for now.

I think its reasonable to project that CK will be a cleaner healthier release then Victoria simply because the progression of expirence from one to the other and lessons learned. Honestly if as to my comments on the Patch I just see it as a minor frustration for me personally. Let me say again I think CK will be patched, but for AI tweeks not for bugs or stability issues which Paradox releases have been synonimis for, excluding Victoria thus far.
 
Sonny, Odin, Dinsdale, Marcus,

From the first post in this thread I thought you guys were going to start making out or something... :D

All,

Time in development would be a lot more encouraging if it had been time in development with Paradox. Having done the beta thing for Victoria, I know how they work and we've seen their products-the assumption that one year viz. two years on a system that is (from what I know) less complicated than Vic means fewer bugs and better play balance out of the box would have a lot more weight.

As it is, I don't know much about Snowball and I've heard some grumblings on and off the boards. The fact is, we just don't know. Either they were sloppy or the engine was difficult or they just had bad luck or they got the job done extra well and Johan was just tweaking troop costs. :D

I'm just going to wait and see, and if a beta could drop by and say a few non-NDA things about how great CK is and how it ran without a single CTD on top speed with small saves and twenty-four players over Vnet right off the server, that'd be great.

Or you could drop by and say a few NDA things on ICQ. :D You know my number.
 
I'm just going to wait and see, and if a beta could drop by and say a few non-NDA things about how great CK is and how it ran without a single CTD on top speed with small saves and twenty-four players over Vnet right off the server, that'd be great.
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Unfortunatelly there is still only a few things out of the NDA we could say. Basically we can only say what is already of public knowledge; things under NDA only with approval of those above.

Sorry, but all we can say about it is that the betatesting is going good!
;)

Or you could drop by and say a few NDA things on ICQ.
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Well... I can talk about CK on ICQ, but never about things covered by the NDA. Sorry this time. And no, I don't know your number!
:)
 
Originally posted by HolisticGod
Sonny, Odin, Dinsdale, Marcus,

From the first post in this thread I thought you guys were going to start making out or something... :D
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Bah....

"We always did feel the same, we just saw it from a different point of view" Quote from Bob Dylan. I think everyone wants the same things here we just have different expectation levels, and given that there is absolutely nothing for us non beta's to base an opinion on or discuss we are left to our own best guess's based on how we rationalize the information we have.

The love fest your refering to is an attempt at keeping it respectful, to often on these boards minor disagreements turn into flames, that didnt happen here. I dont have much else to say on this subject I have stated my case as best I can.

I will leave with this thought however.... More information on CK and where it is and whats in it would go a long way to help those of us committed to the game some peace of mind. I dont want much, nor do I expect it, but for a long time this project has been shroweded in silence and mystery, and really the speculation and assumptions and guesses could be tempered by just a trickle here and there to keep us placated.
 
Odin,

Good quote, good song. Tangled Up in Blue. Though I like the "We always did love the very same one, we just saw her from a different point of view..." Cruel and bitter instead of wise and understanding.

Sure, sure on keeping a respectful tone, I was just being a poor sport about it.
 
Originally posted by Odin1970
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The love fest your refering to is an attempt at keeping it respectful, to often on these boards minor disagreements turn into flames, that didnt happen here. I dont have much else to say on this subject I have stated my case as best I can.

I will leave with this thought however.... More information on CK and where it is and whats in it would go a long way to help those of us committed to the game some peace of mind. I dont want much, nor do I expect it, but for a long time this project has been shroweded in silence and mystery, and really the speculation and assumptions and guesses could be tempered by just a trickle here and there to keep us placated.
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Odin and I seem to respect one another too much to get a flame war going in spite of what it may appear to be in the posts above..

And we do both want the game to be great. And yes any information from the official folks would be welcome. No need for weekly updates or anything like that - just a new screen shot would do fine.:)
 
Originally posted by Anibal
Sorry, but all we can say about it is that the betatesting is going good!
;)

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That's more than enough for me - as long as you and the rest drop by to tell us that, oh, maybe a few times a day or so. :D

Another screenshot would be nice, though - just to keep the unruly mob pacified, of course. :)

Couldn't you betas do a little bit of quiet lobby work with the high-ups on our behalf? ;)
 
Victoria is a good game but only the time age kinda sucks because almost everything is already written in history, so Crusader Kings will definitly be one of my fav's of Paradox.
 
Originally posted by ForVictory
Victoria is a good game but only the time age kinda sucks because almost everything is already written in history....
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Huh? What do you mean by "almost everything is already written in history?" There's *a lot* that happens during/after that game's time frame.... :confused:
 
Well just take a look a the map now and of 1835...Not much has changed in nation size and such, altough alot of things did happen but im talking about nations not events.
 
Originally posted by ForVictory
Well just take a look a the map now and of 1835...Not much has changed in nation size and such, altough alot of things did happen but im talking about nations not events.
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Hmm, have you looked at an 1835 map of Europe and compared it to a current map? ;)
 
Originally posted by ForVictory
Well just take a look a the map now and of 1835...Not much has changed in nation size and such, altough alot of things did happen but im talking about nations not events.
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Hmmm? When did all the Eastern European nations come about? Surely the African continent is as it is now the same as 150+ years ago. African boundaries came about naturally, with no influence from European imperialism. Mexico never used to be twice its current size and California was always American. Italy and Germany have always been united countries. etc. etc. etc.:rolleyes: :D :p
 
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