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Can't wait for the Kingdom to collapse when Somerset refuses to make any more flags. Truly, dark days are coming.
Also, I've been meaning to ask, how will the Duchies work, does one only need to possess a majority of the lands, petitioning the King (while he lasts), or a mixture of both.
Can't wait for the Kingdom to collapse when Somerset refuses to make any more flags. Truly, dark days are coming.
Also, I've been meaning to ask, how will the Duchies work, does one only need to possess a majority of the lands, petitioning the King (while he lasts), or a mixture of both.
Titles are entirely player created. The king is an obvious source, but theoretically a character could even go "I'm the King of Wessex, united England be damned". This probably wouldn't be a popular move in-character though, and the actual provinces don't have any more reason to accept your claim than your fellow players: You could make it work if the king is unpopular, you're strong, there are no rivals, etc., though.
In fact, that's basically how succession issues will be handled: Both characters will have "Title: King of England" or whatever, and figuring out which one is really the king is something to be determined in the game.
In fact, that's basically how succession issues will be handled: Both characters will have "Title: King of England" or whatever, and figuring out which one is really the king is something to be determined in the game.
Seems like fun, the Kingdom of North Britannia shall be formed! Maybe. Either way, one can bet Alfred will constantly be demanding the title of Duke of the North
@Firehound15 Two requests:
1) A white dragon on a red banner for England as a whole: Mercia did the unification, but they did away with the separate kingdoms.
2) A version of each official banner that's 80-100 pixels tall. I plan to put them next to each dynasty's name with clicking on them bringing up the larger image, both for decoration and so we don't need an extra thread.
1) A white dragon on a red banner for England as a whole: Mercia did the unification, but they did away with the separate kingdoms.
2) A version of each official banner that's 80-100 pixels tall. I plan to put them next to each dynasty's name with clicking on them bringing up the larger image, both for decoration and so we don't need an extra thread.
One last question, is war between the various vassals of the English crown "officially" allowed. I say officially, because I doubt the Kin will have the power to enforce the laws for much of the early game. I ask due to IC reasons and to gage reactions if such a war was to exist.
Sure thing. I just originally chose Mercia's regular flag because I connect the wyvern primarily with Wessex.
Should I continue to update the thread I set up with the full-size banners, or ought it be deleted?
Hey, ask away: The more you ask, the more I make sure is figured out before we actually start the first turn.
I'm going to give a soft no for the first few turns, just because I think that's a good general rule for new players (which, technically, everyone will be when we start). In general though there's nothing but the in-character situation to prevent it: The idea would be absurd under Æthelbald's reign, but once he dies his heir's position will depend on the support of the players.
Realistically though, I imagine some players will like the idea of appealing to the king as the ultimate arbitrator: It's easier to politic than wage war after all, and if you're big enough to threaten your neighbors you're probably big enough to put some pressure on the king too.
I'll delete it once I have the banners in the stats.Sure thing. I just originally chose Mercia's regular flag because I connect the wyvern primarily with Wessex.
Should I continue to update the thread I set up with the full-size banners, or ought it be deleted?
Can I also get a banner version of the white dragon, by the way? The king has stats to decorate too, after all.
I'll delete it once I have the banners in the stats.
Can I also get a banner version of the white dragon, by the way? The king has stats to decorate too, after all.
I refrained from making one of the exact same size/style for historical authenticity reasons, but I can also make one of the same design, if you'd like.
Now if I can get the support of Houses Uskglass and Anglia, I can officially petition the King for a Duchy and the appropriate vassals...and the appropriate military.
I'll be playing a little loose with things while the king is GM controlled (mostly since I know the numbers will need some tweaking), but the court rules are set up so one player simply can't rule over all of England directly. It's really only a matter of time until the king ends up granting greater responsibilities to his most loyal supporters.
Yeah, I imagine that when a few weaker kings take power, the kingdom will completely decentralize. And I can’t wait to watch what will happen when the Vikings get involved. I imagine some “strange” alliances to form as a result, and for complete and utter devastation
Eh, it may not split into separate kingdoms, though: Why claim a small corner of Britain when you could claim the whole thing, after all?
Eh, it may not split into separate kingdoms, though: Why claim a small corner of Britain when you could claim the whole thing, after all?
Why bother with England when you could conquer Ireland?
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By the way, it looks like the flags on the stats page are not sized correctly. Not sure if you just haven't gotten around to using the new ones yet.
Also, I just noticed that you have Somerset down as just the province and its holding. I signed up for Somerset and Dorset, but I'll keep the 1/1/0 configuration if it's more militarily suited. Not sure which would let me raise more men, or if there's even a difference.
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Both should be fixed.
Holdings aren't necessarily better or worse than "proper" titles. Actually having a province under you is generally more powerful, but holdings provide a regular and reliable source of income. Think of it kind of like having a duke as a vassal versus ruling a county directly: The first undeniably makes you more powerful, but the second has its benefits too.
Quick question, is Kent off limits because of Cantebury? And oh hey a cool game comes up when I actually have posting time.
In any event
House of Sussex (Sussex and Surrey)
Oswald (dead, listed for background info) - Paternal cousin to Aelthred the once King of Sussex, Oswald was educated to be a great warrior in the name of his family. However he upon reaching manhood, he found sleepy little Sussex, mercantile and godly kingdom was sorely lacking in battles to fight. He spent his adulthood traveling the courts of the greater Saxon kingdoms, serving as a Huscarl, hunting companion, and general diplomat to the royal house. He was grew increasingly frustrated by the idea of, admittedly petty, royalty spending his days as a subordinate to other man and became resentful of his uncle and later cousin. As the decades wore on p, he finally got his chance for glory for himself. Sussex had allied itself with Wessex as the unification wars started and his cousin, the King of Sussex had sent Oswald to lead a force in relieving some deary fortress but he had been in Æthelbald's court many years ago and still held some respect and affection for the man, well more so than any Wessex man anyway. Besides which, the man new how to pick a winner. Along the way, he lead a 'scouting patrol' made up of those men he knew had deeper personal loyalty to him than Aelthred, to forage outside of camp. Once out of sight of the camp, under cover of night, he anounced his intention to join Æthelbald's army, invited his chosen companions with him, and rode to the nearest Mercian camp at all haste. He would swear fealty to Æthelbald, fight on the Mercian side at [major battle] and would gather an army after Mercia had men to spare to retake the kingdom in his own name, but as a loyal bannerman of Æthelbald would hold Sussex as an Earl to his liege.
Oswald died of an apoplectic fit nearly three years ago, predeased by his eldest son, the earldom passed to his grandson Osmund.
Osmund (26) - Earl of Sussex
Osmund raised by his mother, Ealdgyth, in his grandfather's court, he was groomed in his very early life to contentious and fair and full of Christian virtue and manly heroism. Until that is, his father died of pneumonia when Osmund was eight . An only child and with his father's brother having taken holy orders, it was clear that he need not simply be groomed to rule, but frankly educated in the harsh lessons of maintaining power that the idealistic only learn from bitter failures. Osmund has taken the lessons of his youth to heart and applies them to his rule. First if you have a standing army you have options, never fight if you can't decisively win. He is careful never give to the men who fight for him, or worse his enemies, the appearance of anything less than cocksure bravery, but he knows keenly that that is for show, and judicious deployment and tight shieldwalls beat manly courage. Perhaps even more importantly, never trust anyone. The merchant, the priest, the king, and his own retainers, each has brought greater men them him low, and he is, as he was taught, constantly keeping his ear to the ground for any advantage he might gain to guard his position, or any ploy he can use to discredit or dispose of those who would challenge his standing.
Osmund however, is a pious man. While of course the importance of maintaining public piety to popularity and staying on the good side of the church to commerce and diplomacy was stressed, beyond learning passable Latin and attending mass, his religious education was light, and perhaps that is why he has taken to it in his adulthood.
In any event, his three years as earl have been uneventful. Too unenevtful for the dowedger lady (earless?) Ealdgyth, who is working rather feverishly to see that he is married and makes a future earl already. 26 is getting oldish.
Godwin Oswaldson (41) - Bishop of Selsey, Chancellor.
Osmund' uncle, chief advisor, secretary, and chaplain, Godwin was the younger son of Oswald. Entered into the priesthood as a means of rallying the local clergy around Oswald and installed as bishop later, he was afforded a high qualitity education among the monks, to go along with his affable personality. Osmund finds his uncle indespencible in dealing with not only the church but other nobles, the local merchants, and keeping ledgers. Godwin is the earl's confessor and perhaps only truely trusted friend.
One of those banners would be pretty sweet too. When you're up to it.
In any event
House of Sussex (Sussex and Surrey)
Oswald (dead, listed for background info) - Paternal cousin to Aelthred the once King of Sussex, Oswald was educated to be a great warrior in the name of his family. However he upon reaching manhood, he found sleepy little Sussex, mercantile and godly kingdom was sorely lacking in battles to fight. He spent his adulthood traveling the courts of the greater Saxon kingdoms, serving as a Huscarl, hunting companion, and general diplomat to the royal house. He was grew increasingly frustrated by the idea of, admittedly petty, royalty spending his days as a subordinate to other man and became resentful of his uncle and later cousin. As the decades wore on p, he finally got his chance for glory for himself. Sussex had allied itself with Wessex as the unification wars started and his cousin, the King of Sussex had sent Oswald to lead a force in relieving some deary fortress but he had been in Æthelbald's court many years ago and still held some respect and affection for the man, well more so than any Wessex man anyway. Besides which, the man new how to pick a winner. Along the way, he lead a 'scouting patrol' made up of those men he knew had deeper personal loyalty to him than Aelthred, to forage outside of camp. Once out of sight of the camp, under cover of night, he anounced his intention to join Æthelbald's army, invited his chosen companions with him, and rode to the nearest Mercian camp at all haste. He would swear fealty to Æthelbald, fight on the Mercian side at [major battle] and would gather an army after Mercia had men to spare to retake the kingdom in his own name, but as a loyal bannerman of Æthelbald would hold Sussex as an Earl to his liege.
Oswald died of an apoplectic fit nearly three years ago, predeased by his eldest son, the earldom passed to his grandson Osmund.
Osmund (26) - Earl of Sussex
Osmund raised by his mother, Ealdgyth, in his grandfather's court, he was groomed in his very early life to contentious and fair and full of Christian virtue and manly heroism. Until that is, his father died of pneumonia when Osmund was eight . An only child and with his father's brother having taken holy orders, it was clear that he need not simply be groomed to rule, but frankly educated in the harsh lessons of maintaining power that the idealistic only learn from bitter failures. Osmund has taken the lessons of his youth to heart and applies them to his rule. First if you have a standing army you have options, never fight if you can't decisively win. He is careful never give to the men who fight for him, or worse his enemies, the appearance of anything less than cocksure bravery, but he knows keenly that that is for show, and judicious deployment and tight shieldwalls beat manly courage. Perhaps even more importantly, never trust anyone. The merchant, the priest, the king, and his own retainers, each has brought greater men them him low, and he is, as he was taught, constantly keeping his ear to the ground for any advantage he might gain to guard his position, or any ploy he can use to discredit or dispose of those who would challenge his standing.
Osmund however, is a pious man. While of course the importance of maintaining public piety to popularity and staying on the good side of the church to commerce and diplomacy was stressed, beyond learning passable Latin and attending mass, his religious education was light, and perhaps that is why he has taken to it in his adulthood.
In any event, his three years as earl have been uneventful. Too unenevtful for the dowedger lady (earless?) Ealdgyth, who is working rather feverishly to see that he is married and makes a future earl already. 26 is getting oldish.
Godwin Oswaldson (41) - Bishop of Selsey, Chancellor.
Osmund' uncle, chief advisor, secretary, and chaplain, Godwin was the younger son of Oswald. Entered into the priesthood as a means of rallying the local clergy around Oswald and installed as bishop later, he was afforded a high qualitity education among the monks, to go along with his affable personality. Osmund finds his uncle indespencible in dealing with not only the church but other nobles, the local merchants, and keeping ledgers. Godwin is the earl's confessor and perhaps only truely trusted friend.
One of those banners would be pretty sweet too. When you're up to it.