Concept: Vaterland

[Trunyx]

Mod: Vaterland

Hi,
I want to show you a mod concept called "Vaterland" , which is named after the Novel Fatherland (Robert Harris).
Situation (some events):


1945: Greater Germany won the Second World War!

1949: Creation of the "Europäische Gemeinschaft (European Community)"
-released into the independence: France , Norway (Trondheim leased by Greater Germany), Greece, Finland, Great Britain (+ colonies), Belgium, Netherlands,
Denmark

1950: Coup in Sweden, Sweden takes part in the EG
- Spain takes part in the EG
- Portugal takes part in the EG


1951:
-Partisan in the East
-Soviet State prepares for war, finance the partisan
-Begin of the Cold War between Germany and USA

1953:
- All South American states form a Union (Allied Union, Southunion) , Unionwar
- Soviet finance more partisan
- Growing unrest in France

1954:
- Commune of Paris gets independed
- Great France gets independed
- Civil War in France
- Soviet State sends troops to the Commune of Paris
- Allied Union sends troops to Great France

1956:
- France surrenders , result: 2 states
- Great France claims all of (today states) Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Poland, Baltic


I will add more, pictures etc.

unfortunately I never created a mod, so will have to read many guides
What do you think

 

[UltimateTobi]

Sounds cool. The more, the better. I would try it out. Take your time and make a clean mod.

 

[von Sachsen]

Wasn't there a Fatherland mod for HOI2? Perhaps parts of it could be cannibalized (with the permission of the authors of course.)

 

[Samilou]

Definitely do not waste what has been created already for Fatherland in Hearts of Iron 2. Contact Nomomhan for permission and make best use of the files and advice/help he provides you, and do use the opportunity to use the content for the original Fatherland that were not included in Nomonhan's version.

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...nd-Alternate-history-Cold-War-for-HoI2-amp-DD here is the original Fatherland mod, a bit less stable but definitely playable and richer on content than Nomonhan's (mainly because he refuses to use the necessary no time limit patch for it, he based his version on an older version of Fatherland that did not include that unfortunately).

Consult with Nomonhan about the best version of his version to use together with the best content from the original mod not included in his.

Good luck, it will be a lot of work, but less than what most modders have ahead of them, as much work has already been done before, just waiting for you to pick it up again and finish it. Most of the work I think will really consist of adjusting the mod for the realities of Darkest Hour.

 

[Trunyx]

I will have a look at the mod and contact the Dev!
this mod (concept) will/is not be exactly like Fatherland, but it is inspired by it

Edit: How should i Start ? I created a folder in Mods, what Do i have to copy in it

 

[Trunyx]

Sorry for Double Post:
I startet to modify the Names and the World Map. So far I changed the name of Germany to Greater Germany and I changed Poland to Generalgouvernement. I gave Germany Danzig and the regions around, Posen and Upper Silesia and I made territorial changes to GG!

 

[unmerged(143216)]

Looking up the book's background and your ideas I think that dividing it up like this might be more balanced

European Community
Germany (Germany, Sudetenland, much of Poland)
UK (Lead by King Edward VIII as head of state (and possibly head of government))
Italy
France
Nationalist Spain
Norway
Poland (German Puppet)
Bohemia (German Puppet)
Hungary
Slovakia
Romania
Some minor Balkan countries
Ukraine
Baltic countries and Belarus
Finland
Denmark
Egypt (German Puppet)
Syria (German Puppet)
Palestine (German Puppet)
Jordan (German Puppet)
Belgium
Netherlands

Allies
US
French North Africa (and Madagascar)-Algeria and Tunisia (Free French)
South Africa
Australia
Canada
Ethiopia (with Somalia, Eritrea, and Djibouti)
India
Pakistan
The rest of the former British colonies (Free British)
Mexico
Brazil
Other minor countries in central and south America

Comintern
USSR (driven back almost all the way to Moscow)
PRC
Mongolia (Soviet Puppet)
Korea (Soviet Puppet)
Vietnam
Cambodia
Siam
Laos


I think this would be more balanced, the European Community has almost all of Europe but everyone has claims on their allies (Free French/British have claims on France and Britain, Soviets have claims on almost everything east of Germany), and unrest in their allied countries is high. The Soviets have pretty much all of Asia as allies, but have to deal with Japan (perhaps make them still at war, USSR has never been able to invade and Japan refuses to surrender), India, and on their western border Germany. The Allies have a good base in the Americas, but the Free French and Free British have little manpower and IC as well as high unrest (the colonies want independence and Britain and France are weak). Perhaps you could toss in a few civil war events for countries like Japan (surrender to the USSR and join the Comintern, or keep fighting the war) and India (make India and Pakistan one country with a civil war between the Hindus and Muslims breaking out or something).

Anyway, consider the balance and consider tossing in some events like civil wars.

 

[Trunyx]

Looking up the book's background and your ideas I think that dividing it up like this might be more balanced


[...]

I think this would be more balanced, the European Community has almost all of Europe but everyone has claims on their allies (Free French/British have claims on France and Britain, Soviets have claims on almost everything east of Germany), and unrest in their allied countries is high. The Soviets have pretty much all of Asia as allies, but have to deal with Japan (perhaps make them still at war, USSR has never been able to invade and Japan refuses to surrender), India, and on their western border Germany. The Allies have a good base in the Americas, but the Free French and Free British have little manpower and IC as well as high unrest (the colonies want independence and Britain and France are weak). Perhaps you could toss in a few civil war events for countries like Japan (surrender to the USSR and join the Comintern, or keep fighting the war) and India (make India and Pakistan one country with a civil war between the Hindus and Muslims breaking out or something).

Anyway, consider the balance and consider tossing in some events like civil wars.

This will not be exactly like the book
How I thought:

European Community:
Greater Germany (domination)
UK (+colonies)
Italy
France (leaves European Community, because of an Civil War (Great France, Commune of Paris)
Spain
Portugal
Generalgouvernement (Puppet of Greater Germany)
Norway (Trondheim leased by Greater Germany)
Former Czechoslovakia [Slovakia]
Romania
All Reichskommissariats (Puppets of Greater Germany)
Balkan (Free State of Croatia etc.)
Belgium
Netherlands
Denmark
Turkey

All in All the European Community is very unstable.
After great revolts there will be a Civil War in France. France has to fight against Great France (Napoleonic like) and the Commune of Paris. France surrenders , so now there are 2 (3) . Great France wants a huge empire, and claims many regions from all over Europe. It has to decide if it wants War with Germany first or with Commune of Paris...
Game will start before the Civil War, but you won't be able to prevent it.

UK is really skeptical with the EG and prepares for war against Greater Germany, maybe will fight alone or with Allies?

And much more...
This is may view of the EG.



Questions:
Are the .inc files in the scenario folder only for nations which are playable at the start or also for later States which can be liberated or so?

 

[Trunyx]

Excerpt: German Situation (Civil War):
In the middle of the game there will be an unavoidable war for germany.
When Great France attacks ,the Soviet State will have to decide if they want war with Germany now or in 1,2,3 years. It will be difficult for Germany to defend their regions, but they can do! When all Rhine Regions or some baltic regions are fallen, the dissent in Germany rises. Then Germany has to decide:
Do Reforms!
The Ostmark ("Austria") will get independed but belongs to Germany!
It's a total War!
The South German Federation gets independed!
More terror!
The South German Federation (+ Ostmark regions) gets independed,
The Free Socialist State (of Preussia) gets independed! (War with both)

When Great France get Regions in the North a peace event will trigger. Germany can now get peace with Great France and ally to fight against the Red Enemy! If Germany don't accept they will create their own german State, the North German Federation!


Flag of the North German Federation! It's like the "Kriegsflagge", but the Flag of Great France is on the top and in the middle their are the france national colours!

How am I doing:
Editing World Map!

Questions:
Still:

Are the .inc files in the scenario folder only for nations which are playable at the start or also for later States which can be liberated or so?