Conquering provinces

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Hi

Well I know.. I'm a newbe, but I've read most of the stuff posted here and on the EUII forums, so I more or less know what's going on.

AFAIR there wasn't any question about how you can gain land. Of course through war or marriage, but... do you need a claim on it? I mean, if you go to war, will you be able only to conquer the province you have a claim on, or can you also conquer other lands?

I ask because, well.. it bugs me. I'm just studying for an exam after my secondary school, and I'm just in the Polish period of dissolution (hope I spelled it well ) of the Kingdom. In 1308 the Brandenburg March lords were besieging Danzig, and the Polish ruler (can't remember which one possibly Wladyslaw Lokietek) asked the Teutonic Order for help. Yep, they did help, they repelled the Brandenburgians, but they took Danzig for themselves. Then again in 1333 after Wladyslaw Lokietek lost the war, they gained Ziemia Dobrzynska and Kujawy, but... they had no claimns on these lands!

So... the question is: Can you gain lands you actually have no claims on?

Oh.. and the second thing. Because the game is dynamic, I belive that the chance of going historically is really low, thus the Polish split into provinces (1138) might never happen and so the Teutonic Nights may never get themselves near the baltic. Will there be a semi-historic model (like the events in EU2) implemented or will it be completly dynamic?

BTW... Pardon my English.. it's just horrible :/

 

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Welcome to the forum. Do not worry about your English - it is quite good. Even if your English was not good we don't really care. This forum is full of nice, understanding, folks.

There has been a lot of talk about gaining land. Mostly I guess it comes down to a post which Greven made quite a while back - "No claim, no gain". Exactly how those claims are to occur is not clear. Certainly marriages will be one way and we can assume that crusades will be another. There may be some pre-existing claims from times before the start of the game but I would assume any of those would be dynastic in nature.

 

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Well I guess "no claim no gain" seems ok for the western Europe, but in the eastern.... in my opinion it just won't work out... There were continues battles between Brandenburgians and polish lords...

I remember reading a post about how the March's should be simulated, whether to give them CB on all of their pagan neighbours or not. But this is just not what I'm talkin about.

I wonder if some sort of treachery would be implamented.. for example king's X (or count's whatever) province is under attack and he has no forces to defend himself... he calls a foreign power to help him out. Of course.. they come and they save the province from the invaders, but instead of returning it, they take it for themselves.

AFAIK it would be historical and would be indeed.. quite fun. Just imagine: helping others and have a choice of keeping the province for yourself (equals to drop in relations to previose owner, possible loss in overall reputation) or return it to the rightful owner (quite high increase in realtions, gain i reputation)...

 

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I think Marcher lords will play a big part(like in real life) of the German expansion

BTW: Who where the Whens?

 

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Slavs living in what is now East Germany. Not sure when they got there.

 

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Originally posted by historycaesar
I think Marcher lords will play a big part(like in real life) of the German expansion
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Won't they rather have to? Snowball simply can't not handle it that way. Otherwise, it would be silly.

 

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Originally posted by senex
Slavs living in what is now East Germany. Not sure when they got there.

Between river Elbe and Oder

Take a look here
The Peoples of Europe around 900

As far as I know they were Wilizians (actually, I don't know the English word, I just found it on URL=http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/shepherd/central_europe_919_1125.jpg]this map[/URL], in polish: Wieleci)... but I might be wrong... didn't pay attention on that history lesson

The Marcher lords are just a way different story... I was talking of getting help from your neighbour, nt necessairly a March Lord...

 

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Of course, that was already a factor in EU, the crafty player could put 500 cavalry under their highest-ranking leader and go to 'help out' with an already-existing siege, getting control of the fortress that his 'ally' sweated blood to capture.

Those wily Knights...

 

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Originally posted by Neuro
Between river Elbe and Oder

Take a look here
The Peoples of Europe around 900

As far as I know they were Wilizians (actually, I don't know the English word, I just found it on URL=http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/shepherd/central_europe_919_1125.jpg]this map[/URL], in polish: Wieleci)... but I might be wrong... didn't pay attention on that history lesson

In English they are known as the Sorbians, but in Central Texas where a lot of them settled I know they call themselves Wends, as in Wendish. I think this is their own name for themselves.

It is my understanding that Wends is a term for all the non polish, non czech western slavic speakers isolated in Germany, and Sorb is the term for a specific set of groups found in what I believe is now Saxony and Brandenburg. The other famous group are along the North Sea Coast.