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As old Dominions 2 and 3 player (best TBS MP mode I ever played) I just want to Link this video of upcoming (20th february) Conquest of Elysium 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHWiHC-i5b4

This game is really deep and I'm sure it uses whole unit base (800+) dominions 3 already had. For everyody nice graphic means nothing take a look into this video! Its worth.

When I activly played domions 2 and 3 MP I'm sure I summed up more than 1000 hours gameplay. So much deepness and so much great multiplayer games. This alone let me preorder CoE3 as the more SP focused game.
 
thanks for posting this. I'll definitevely get the game, I thought of getting Dominoins 3 too at shrapnels, but it's just too high priced

Dominions is still worth buying if you plan multlayer. Its not worth single player at least for me. The Game is so complex and so much possibilities with all the spells and items so its more for learning the game.

MP is fun because you make only 1 turn which takes a lot of time mid/lategame. This turn is hosted usually every 24/48 hours. Causing real fun with for example 20 players playing different nations in same game. A game lasts between 50-100 turns, depends on settings. This cycles are perfect for MP
 
The guy did a follow up video of the nation he played in the first 1 hour video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_HsP2oSb2g

He even plans to make more videos to show the different nations/leaders to start with. Very impressive.
I don't get it how they plan to balance it for multiplayer with that randomness. I mean, one location gives you 5 rubies out of 6? And if you don't have random gods on your side, you can't summon shit? Scouting is with leaders only, and Necromancer wasn't able to get any scouts for entire game in the video (so to know what the hell is going on around). So how exactly can you plan what to do with your main army without scouting?

Dominions is still worth buying if you plan multlayer. Its not worth single player at least for me. The Game is so complex and so much possibilities with all the spells and items so its more for learning the game.

MP is fun because you make only 1 turn which takes a lot of time mid/lategame. This turn is hosted usually every 24/48 hours. Causing real fun with for example 20 players playing different nations in same game. A game lasts between 50-100 turns, depends on settings. This cycles are perfect for MP
I like the mechanics, and i really wanted to try it several times, but from AARs and videos it seems you're mostly fighting:
- HORRIBLE UI. Just look at the Mortal Combat with UI that people do so to make a communion for example (they say it takes an hour+ to setup, and then 5 minutes to watch a fight), or so to steadily transfer troops from the back to frontlines etc. And it's micro-crazy, just count a number of clicks per one decision (i tried a demo).
- Lack of proper documentation. You get combo spells and interactions like in Magic: The Gathering, yet game descriptions are worse than in ancient Master of Magic - either they have unclear wording or they don't explain half of the thing at all.

Because of that micro-happy UI you can do one turn in one game per evening, right? At least that's what AARs say. So 2 months for a 50-turn game? And you MUST read, like, all forums and wiki's so to be at least at noob-level in MP (because it's extremely noob-unfriendly with no proper in-game documentation)? You need some crazy dedication to pull that through, i certainly don't have it. Very good game mechanics wasted, oh well.

And they never did a decent AI (at least release AI source code to public, like in Civ 4, damn it, if you don't want to do it themselves!). So singleplayer is useless as well.

The only good thing of Dominons 3 is that a good AAR with all these combos and strategies is interesting to read even if you don't know the game at all. That is, when you don't need to fight the UI and manual by himself, and can just look at the results :) I mean, just look at that AAR http://lparchive.org/Dominions-3/, it has all in one - it mentions horrible UI, how much it takes to play the game, lack of documentation etc. But it's interesting to read, yes. Basically, if you're not sure you can stick to Dominion 3 for at least a year of your life and that you want to spend more time reading forum posts/guides than playing, you shouldn't even try it.

P.S. It's perfect for MP when you can finish the game in one 25-minute session - that's why RTS and even DoTA-like matches are trying to fit that niche. Even 2-4 hours per Civ 4 ladder game is too much. In Dominion 3, 2 months somehow becomes perfect? LOL?
I think Spectromancer has one of the best formats for a perfect strategy game (match takes about 7 minutes, it's a Magic: The Gathering idea but completely redesigned for online play).
 
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Well like said I would never suggest Dominions as a SP game. You said it, there is a lot of micromanaging even setting up a battle is far easier when you know what you do and how the shortcuts works. But still, its just not worth investing so much time for SP. Also the AI is not able to do all the things you can do as player, its just too much, especially when it comes to commanders + their items. The AI was never able to defend equiped heroes.

Dominions is great for MP when you want an epic game. With other TBS MP games its often the case you don't play it to the end but dominions has perfect amount of turns . I think I finished around 30-40 MP dominion games (2 and 3 together) and had a lot of fun. For sure its not compareable to RTS/DoTA like games, a MP game needs 4 month - ~8 month usually. So completly deifferent to 45 minutes Leage of Legends match (the one I played some time).

The one site in CoE3 was really good, I think its a very rare one. I still can't play CoE3 (not in beta) but when it has equal mechanics like in domions 3 great sites is something you really want and you usually get some. Don't overestimate it. There is a lot more of this factors. In Dom Skilled players will always win vs. unskilled and even between skilled players so most important thing is stuff like your strategical/tactical skill and your diplomatic abilities.
CoE3 isn't MP focussed, sure there is a mode but its compareable to play Civ MP games (just how MP works). Its clearly more SP. AI will be easier to program because the gameplay is far more strict than it was in dominions.