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It is too bad that they won't model pagan nations though. I mean I'd love to try and take back Scandanavia for the Norse faith as a still pagan Sweden, or spread horror through out Eastern Europe as an enraged pagan Lithuania.

Yeah but can u get the Christians to convert?
 
Originally posted by Zhai


Yeah but can u get the Christians to convert?

Good point. The same equestions could be asked of Muslims.

In this time period the only converting that happened was pagans -> Christians, with some suppression of various christian heresies. The Muslims and Christians didn't really convert each other during this time period. So dreams of a Christian Mecca, or a Muslim Rome, shouldn't really be possible.

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Actually, u r wrong, there was plenty of Christians convert to Islam, like Asia Minor for example or reconqueria, there were some muslims who were convert but I think that it is unlikely that either muslim or Christian convert to paganism. There were far more Christian converted to Islam but what if Christaisn gain a real upper hand? maybe Asia Minor would stay Christian. In my experience, it is pagan>Christian>Islam. Spain and Sicily are the only exception to the rule I could find.
 
Zhai, the period when most conversions christian -> muslim took place in Hispania was well before 1066, specially just after the islamic conquest (8th century); of course there could be conversions later, but not "en masse"; in the period covered in the game, as far as Hispania is concerned, there were usually conversions muslim -> christian. But, turning to the original question, as you can only play christian kingdoms, the possible conversions you can force would be muslim -> christian and pagan -> christian (maybe also jews -> christian?).

Marc
 
hai, the period when most conversions christian -> muslim took place in Hispania was well before 1066, specially just after the islamic conquest (8th century); of course there could be conversions later, but not "en masse"; in the period covered in the game, as far as Hispania is concerned, there were usually conversions muslim -> christian. But, turning to the original question, as you can only play christian kingdoms, the possible conversions you can force would be muslim -> christian and pagan -> christian (maybe also jews -> christian?).

Marc

Hmmm.. true! But still, most of muslim left rather than convert. Reconqueria seems to be exception to christian > muslim rule. Or even Sicily but usually christian > muslim as is shown in Asia Minor, or much later, Albanian. Also, Spain got some of its people from Europe (immigrant). I am trying to rmbr, I rmbr that I read a book that said that Spain got some of people from Europe.
 
Originally posted by The camel
considering his hair color (red) which isn`t exactly common around there..

damn, so now we know what islam is all about :D

I'd be interested to know where you found out what hair color Mohammed had, considering that it's considered unethical to have a picture of his face.
(ever seen a medieval Islamic manuscript with a really short guy wearing a hat that looks like it's from the KKK? That's Mohammed)
 
Yeah me too! How do the one know? Maybe a heretic muslim painted his face?:D
 
I would be more interested to know why having red hair would make Mohammed more likely to be a christian bishop. I would have thought that christians around there came from the local populace and looked the same as everyone else.

Of course, he could have been one of those Irish missionaries... :)
 
Of course, he could have been one of those Irish missionaries...

Why not? Irish people are great at converting people. Maybe Ireland should get the bonus in conversion:p
 
Originally posted by metzger
I would be more interested to know why having red hair would make Mohammed more likely to be a christian bishop. I would have thought that christians around there came from the local populace and looked the same as everyone else.

Of course, he could have been one of those Irish missionaries... :)

Couldn't have been Irish - he was a teetotaler.:)
 
lol hoho!:D

he was a teetotaler.

I must be a blockhead but I do not know what teetotaler?
 
well some christian priest traveled to the east between 350 AD and 750 AD. I think converting muslims and christians and pagaens should be possible but when converting either christians or muslims it should be harder than converting pagaens. Also there should be parsell conversions where they retain the old gods and the Christ like in Scandinavia. Maybe before total coversions? Sorry about the spelling errors.
 
well some christian priest traveled to the east between 350 AD and 750 AD. I think converting muslims and christians and pagaens should be possible but when converting either christians or muslims it should be harder than converting pagaens. Also there should be parsell conversions where they retain the old gods and the Christ like in Scandinavia. Maybe before total coversions? Sorry about the spelling errors.

True, converting pagan may have a bonus in conversation. Sorry, I got it twisted, I mean that there should be bonus chance for converting Pagans, let say that there is 50% change that I can convert, let say Prussia, if it is already Christian but if it is pagan then I could get like, 20% extra chance of success?
 
Originally posted by Zhai
lol hoho!:D



I must be a blockhead but I do not know what teetotaler?

A teetotaler is someone who does not drink liquor (or actually even beer).:)
 
A teetotaler is someone who does not drink liquor (or actually even beer).

Oh, then I must be one for I do not touch alcholic (church wine exception)