Converting from Catholic to Protestant

[Balmoth]

I am currently playing a GC game as France. I am trying a diplomatic approach. What I have been doing is going for max economy, and diplomacy. The current year is 1540 and I have diplomatically annexed: Baden, Alsace/Lorraine, Savoien and Navarre. But I only have a single colony in northern america, and the lack of colonists are starting to bother me.

I have been playing with the thought of converting to protestantism. Is this playable at all?, with a big nation llike France - I am going to have forces in all provinces before converting.

How much will it help if I set tolerance equal for both religions?

Will my people convert in any foreseeable future?

- Balmoth

 

[unmerged(1585)]

Hiya,

First off check to see how many of your provinces actually went protestant of their own accord after the revolution. The second thing to consider is how many Chief Judges etc you have in place that might help reduce revolt risk.

Next you should take into account that every diplomatic marriage and alliance that you have will be broken. And most Catholic countries will see their relations with you drop to -200. It's not impossible that a number of them will take the opportunity to declare war on you.

Lastly you will drop to -3 stability.

England is almost designed to go protestant as soon as possible. I have not played as France but given the problems I've had after going protestant with England I suspect that you would have an even rougher time with France.

It will help if you set your religious tolerances equally across Catholic and Protestant but it won't eliminate the revolt risk. Also, your provinces may randomly convert but I don't think that there is anything you can do to encourage this.......

Good luck!


Patrick

PS. The best approach might be to have large forces located such that they can quickly respond to rebellions in all regions rather than have forces stationed in all regions......

 

[unmerged(1001)]

When you convert as France I find the best bet is to have 4 or 5 large armies positioned so that there is one in or beside every province. That way you can get to and put down rebellions very quickly. Having a lot of small armies is not going to work as well as having 5,000 people might not be enough to put down a lot of the rebellions.

If you are going to convert, you are probably better waiting for John Calvin and becoming Reformed. I see no reason why you would want to remain Protestant when you could be Reformed and get the extra colonists.

 

[hjarg]

Been there, done that. After Calvin popped, went to protestant first and then reformed right after (looks like war of 3 Henry's ended up the other way: Paris doesn't deserve masses so much ) Naturally, stability to -3, bad relations with everyone and lot's of rebellion. I had 2 field and 1 siege army. They managed to put off all the revolts without any problems. And to my great suprise, no-one attacked me. But that is most likely to happen though, so be prepared for that as well. Naturally, all investments to stability to get the revolt risk as low as possible. And don't forget to change religion tolerance sliders as well.

 

[unmerged(1798)]

related question

I'm playing Spain in the GC; to my surprise at some point when I looked I had converted to protestant!!!

Did this automatically happen, or did I accidentally initiate the change with a twitching mouse finger when I didn't really mean to?

I've never been brave enough to try to switch the state religion back to Catholic, and I haven't gotten the choice to go to reformed catholic either; and I'm in the mid-1600's.

Its my first game so I'm still learning.

 

[unmerged(1797)]

Well, it would be an interesting experiment, since France almost did go Protestant during its war of Religion (1562-1592). Might be fun to see if a Huguenot France could actually survive.

 

[Dark Knight]

France doesn't get any Protestant (Lutheran) provinces, but will have some provinces become Reformed (Calvinist) after the John Calvin event. So, you should wait till then and then convert to reformed.

 

[BiB]

A reformed France would be even stronger than a catholic France and can quite easily be done.

 

[unmerged(1798)]

What about Spain?

When and how can you go reformed Catholic?

 

[hjarg]

Originally posted by joel rauber
What about Spain?

When and how can you go reformed Catholic?

You said before that you are in mid-1600s. I presume that edict of tolerance event has already happened. If it has, there is no way to convert to counter-reformed Catholic. That religion has been cancelled.

But i think you just need to convert to catholic again and then to counter-reformed.

Btw, Hugenot France can be much more successful, especially as colonial power. These +2 settlers /year help quite a lot

 

[unmerged(598)]

Spain can go counter reform after the Council of Trent event. The year varies, but usually somewhere around 1560-70 I think.

If you look at the religion screen it shows the % towards the next religion event.

Catholic countries going counter-reform (and vice versa) don't suffer any stability or revolt risks, or break Catholic marriages despite what the text says in the confirm action dialog box.

I played a reformed France, and after a short Spanish-Austrian war (very realistic BTW) everything went quite smoothly. The colonist number booms, but your annual census income drops. An interesting change though.

Also played a Catholic England, and although early colonisation is hamstrung, if you get the French off your back by giving up Calais early then the game is very peacefull.

 

[unmerged(1798)]

Originally posted by hjarg


You said before that you are in mid-1600s. I presume that edict of tolerance event has already happened. If it has, there is no way to convert to counter-reformed Catholic. That religion has been cancelled.

But i think you just need to convert to catholic again and then to counter-reformed.

Btw, Hugenot France can be much more successful, especially as colonial power. These +2 settlers /year help quite a lot

Doh!, I need to first be a catholic to become a reformed catholic!! Thanks!

I find that I'm not managing things as well as a lot of people describe, economically things aren't great, OK, but not great; inflation has been a bitch, the tech tree isn't very far along, I'm now at about 1700 and just got to the point of being able to build manufactories, but no muskets yet. I have more settlers than I have money for using; and much of the accesible world to me has now been filled up (can't really reach india or south africa or the orient); no intermediate bases and am too busy quelling rebellions in mexico and the US eastern seaboard which I own for the most part and trying to build up the infrastructure, tech tree etc

Haven't had to fight a serious war in about 60 years or so. Never did get the Inca's, I ran into the problem mentioned in another thread of the never being able to advance down the one province wide corridor against repeated Inca move attempts, despite beating them in battles. I'm too spread out to try the build up all cavalry force tactic someone mentioned. Maybe in another game . . .

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by hjarg


You said before that you are in mid-1600s. I presume that edict of tolerance event has already happened. If it has, there is no way to convert to counter-reformed Catholic. That religion has been cancelled.

But i think you just need to convert to catholic again and then to counter-reformed.

Btw, Hugenot France can be much more successful, especially as colonial power. These +2 settlers /year help quite a lot

That's what I meant. And a catholic France is alreday so strong, add to that the settlers they get when reformed ...