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Having just downloaded the most recent Core files I could find v7.1mp and doing what I always do, watch the computer play out the war the first game. I noticed some strange things.

Most things followed a simular path except JAPAN doesn't finish it's war with Nat. China and in Apr of 1939 declares war on the Soviet Union???? The Soviet Union of course crushes Japans armies left and right, but, eventually they sign some form of a treaty because the fighting/advancing stops.

Russia has 100 divisions guarding the borders between it's provinces and Japans, the rest are on the Western Front of the Eastern Front of Germany heh.

Then in May of 1940 after the Germans have crushed France, they too declare war on the Soviet Union, a whole year ahead of normal schedule. They made no effort towards Norway or Sweden.

Italy sweeps through Africa, Egypt, Iraq and into Persia by Aug of 1944, but, gives no land support to the Germans when they have lots of divisions just sitting there doing nothing. You'd think Italy from this game was the supreme power the way they have marched and crushed the UK, Egypt, Iraq and working on South Africa and Persia atm.

Germany makes the famous push to the edges of Moscow, and the of course the Russian counter offensive is in operation atm. RUMANIA joins the Soviet Union and not the Germans.

Japan, I have no idea what happened to them, it seems they were so devastated from the war with Russia, even though they are STILL at war with NAT. China have just sat there, moved nothing, except for just putting some units on the Russian front, yet, they are ALLIED to the GERMANS lol, but, apparently for some reason they are NOT at war with Russia in this alliance, only NAT China, UK and it's allies. There was NO Pacific war at all. Nothing, nada.

The US has not entered, and has only offered the lend lease agreement. No help, no troups, nothing.

Britian is solo in this it would seem, and they did make the glorious D-Day invasion into Lille in Jul/Aug of 44 with 9 divisions, but, they have strategic bombers and fighters sitting in and around London not doing anything and the German airforce it making mince meat of their invasion(s). There's some, but, very little British activity out from India, but, NAT China forces are holding their own in front of them, in fact NAT China has had time to build a superior force to Japan's units, because Japan quit producing anything.

Seems all the navies do is sit in the ports, very little naval activity at all anywhere. Lots of flags in those ports though. ;)

Of course the usual score for this 1936 scenario goes to the Axis, more than double that of Russia and of course triple that of the Allies. The allied ai is still pretty lacking in doing anything with anything. Britian has nothing in Britian, those planes doing nothing is about it, maybe 1 or 2 infantry divs.

Is this the best it's going to get for the Allied AI? Britian seems rather an easy target and crush as a human German player just from looking at the way they just don't hardly build anything or do anything but sit throughout the war. I often wonder if Russia had capitulated to the Germans if the Allies ever would have made a landing into France or even defeated the Germans. With Russia out of the picture, there would have been more diversion of troups to Africa as well. Russia kept a lot of German forces away from the western front. The world owes a lot to Russia methinks ;)
 
You said you played MP game. What countries were controlled by human players? Or was that hands-off game?

If in hands-off game, let's start from the begining:

1) Border clash over Chalkin-Gol (JAP vs USSR) have developed in full scale war. It was very possible option at the time.

2) You have played just one game, which additionally had very important ahistorical element (see point 1). That caused whole series of changes in units deployment/AI reactions and so on.

3) Posts of other players not confirm your opinion about "sleeping" USA (see this thread ) or overpowered Italy - in fact, Italian victory in Africa is very rare occurance.

All I can say for now is - play again. I have already seen posts of players who had "Unholy alliance" event (0,05% chance to happen) in their first CORE game, so they thought that it's standard thing. ;) Test the game with mayor nations, play some games - you will see the difference. :)

PS. Also notice, that you have downloaded MP (multiplayer) version of the mod. So far it's practically 100% compatibile with the SP (single player) version, but in the next versions we will change that - MP will be more balanced for human players, while SP will be optimized for one player games. If you usually play alone, I suggest using SP version of the mod.

EDIT: If you play single player game, I strongly suggest using V.Hard level, as it seriously boosts AI ability to build units (+20% IC, +20% R&D). And if you want additional challenge, choose option "I'm a pro!" in the initial event.
 
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Ahh ok thanks, I was under the assumption that the v7.1mp included play for the SP game as well. And no I don't play MP. But, I don't play the MAJORS either, I like to play the minor countries, but, I like to see at least some semblance of reality in the events. No pacific war, Italy taking over africa and the surrounding minors was a little unbelieveable to say the least.

I could accept the possibilities of the Japan/Russo war, it was the fact that they didn't finish their war with NAT. China before starting another with a much more powerful country. Then the fact for the rest of the game they just sat out and did nothing. Plus they were allied with the Germans and still did nothing towards the Russians. Just sat there, like they stopped building everything and I did the save and load to clear the memory sort of thing I've heard about, but, still they did nothing.

And like I said, I play hands off when I first get a mod (I sat in Switzerland the whole game and just observed) to see how the AI reacts and if it is going to be aggressive. I don't want to waste my time playing if I'm going to crush the majors with a minor like say Brazil.

My setting was normal/normal, I didn't know it had to be set higher to get the AI to do anything. I thought that normal meant that normal outcomes and play would be about average.

As far as the German/Russo war, it was quite realistic other than the early 1940 start date, Germans pushed to Moscow, but, never took it and Russia has pushed them back to the Polish line by AUG of 44. Very good there. Rumaina joining the Soviets was sort of a twist I didn't expect though.

As far as I can see from this game, playing a minor and going after Italy would be the fun and challenge. Since Italy had no resistance, plowed over the UK forces in N. Africa like they weren't even there. Then of course moved down the eastern side of Africa all the way to S. Africa and are punishing them now along with advances into Iraq and Persia. Italy is kicking butt. lol

Something else that was funny, Persia allied with the Germans for a short time, started taking a beating from Russia, made once again some form or treaty or peace, Russia stopped advancing and then Persia allies with the Allies!??? lol, that was pretty good, yet, still sort of funny.

Also the Spanish war, two factions came out of it, both with capitols. There is a Republic AND a Nat. Spain. That's a new twist as well.

I'm not saying it's bad, it's certainly better than vanilla HOI to say the least, I was just disappointed there was no Pacific war or US intervention into France, I really want to see a decent AI D-DAY. Heh, us Americans we want everything. ;) I was impressed to say the least to see the UK actually land 9 divisions in Lille, and were holding as I exited the game in AUG of 44. I'd never seen an allied invasion that ever worked in vanilla HOI. Good work there. ;)

There needs to be some work done on the UK airforce though, why did 10 bomber divisions and 9 fighter divisions just sit in and around London and not help out the UK invasion of Lille. The German airforce is really whopping those 9 divisions without any air cover.????

Anyway are you saying the v7.0 is for the SP only game? And what's different in the v7.1mp that's not in the v7.0 version??? And what patch does the v7.1patch version goto? Some of the ways you put up your mods is confusing and not much description of what is for what. Sorry I'm illiterate, you must draw me a picture. ;)
 
Persia was declared war on by Britain and the Soviet Union August 26, 1941 when they refused to allow shipments of war supplies from India to the USSR to cross their country. Britian also was angry with Iran when they refused to expel all German nationals from their country.

In all my games the US had launched many successful invasions of France from both the North and South.

The newest single player version of CORE is 0.71 (the one that doesn't say 'mp' on it). To install CORE you have to unistall your existing version of CORE and HoI. Then you install HoI and unzip 1.05c and the November 11th pic/prop pack (it's the one that's around 12mb) into HoI. You then install CORE 0.7 and then you install 0.71