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[RedPhoenix]

Well as I said I'm ok with just continuing from how drake is right now. I'll just say you were not killed on a whim for no reason though drake, you were killed because you were a mass murderer. Thus fully within the bounds of the game rules. Rules are only against doing this simply because you can, for no reason...



Anyway as I said I'm ok with continuing from this, if I can just have my sons revived Obviously Drake and Aldo don't feel bad about the murder spree, but I do and i don't want to continue on that path. Therefore I'd just like to get that situation remedied so I can continue to play with savoie Hopefully this can be agreed on. I did the attacks on the duke basically for no reason to begin with, he was a kinslayer allready and stressed, I didn't need to kill him just wait 50 years for him to die without a wife, since I was allready heir to him. I just thought dukes are easy to kill if they got only 8 intrique, didn't know this


I don't feel the BB alone is succifient though to stop the murder spree, its very much worth it to kill 10 guys and inherit 10 provinces, which is a bit bad imo since it has no other consequences. Drake is balanced out a bit more since he has the country cousin but that is because of a player response not the game it self.

 

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Anyway as I said I'm ok with continuing from this, if I can just have my sons revived Obviously Drake and Aldo don't feel bad about the murder spree, but I do and i don't want to continue on that path. Therefore I'd just like to get that situation remedied so I can continue to play with savoie Hopefully this can be agreed on. I did the attacks on the duke basically for no reason to begin with, he was a kinslayer allready and stressed, I didn't need to kill him just wait 50 years for him to die without a wife, since I was allready heir to him. I just thought dukes are easy to kill if they got only 8 intrique, didn't know this

If your wife is still able to birth more kids to be heir to the duke, I think going that way is better. I generally feel edits as somewhat bad stuff.

I don't feel the BB alone is succifient though to stop the murder spree, its very much worth it to kill 10 guys and inherit 10 provinces, which is a bit bad imo since it has no other consequences. Drake is balanced out a bit more since he has the country cousin but that is because of a player response not the game it self.

Assassination is very cheap if you don't get caught. If you do however, it means BB for you, no matter whether you succeeded or not. In my experience you often fail and get caught for it at least once for each success, which can also be getting caught. Not to mention that often you have to assassinate several people to inherit a duchy successfully, leading to horrendous amounts of BB. I am actually quite sure both Drake and Aldo could have got the lands they wanted by war BB-wise cheaper than by their murder sprees. Not to mention of course that as AI always retaliates, you'll often lose important family members and perhaps your character as well.

Sometimes assassinations, even if successful, can be in vain, like in my case where I had married the eldest daughter of Milan to my heir and then assassinated Milan's son. Few days later she died of childbirth. :wacko:

 

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Obviously Drake and Aldo don't feel bad about the murder spree, but I do and i don't want to continue on that path.

Don't put words in my mouth. What I feel you don't know and I haven't been on a murder spree. I might have been on a murder attempt spree if you have to label it but that is more due to 1) my unawareness of the difficulties of killing off a Duke (call it n00b-iness if you like to) and 2) that the cut my losses approach obviosuly not is a viable solution.

So out of pitty I am granting you (as far as I am authorized to) your wish to revive your sons.

 

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I am actually quite sure both Drake and Aldo could have got the lands they wanted by war BB-wise cheaper than by their murder sprees.

Interesting. I considered that many times. But wouldn't the probability for me to get into war with ze King be extremely high?

Not to mention of course that as AI always retaliates, you'll often lose important family members and perhaps your character as well.

That wasn't a problem for me. I quickly racked up a large bunch of heirs (probably close to 8 including brothers) within my dynasty. I would actually have prefered if the AI was more eager to take revenge because would it have succeeded my BB would have diminished faster I think.

 

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Interesting. I considered that many times. But wouldn't the probability for me to get into war with ze King be extremely high?

Yeah, but you could have conquered land somewhere else instead and made yourself duke of some other place.

That wasn't a problem for me. I quickly racked up a large bunch of heirs (probably close to 8 including brothers) within my dynasty. I would actually have prefered if the AI was more eager to take revenge because would it have succeeded my BB would have diminished faster I think.

One isn't always that lucky.

 

[RedPhoenix]

If your wife is still able to birth more kids to be heir to the duke, I think going that way is better. I generally feel edits as somewhat bad stuff.

My wife can't do kids anymore, I have no male heirs either. My family will die out.

Or someone could kill my wife, which is an artificial solution too, so not really an option anymore than an edit.

Please consider reviving my sons, not that big of an edit, I'll live with my brother being dead. And I'll keep the BB too. And I won't assasinate dukes anymore Atleast not on a whim and for no apparent gain.

I just simply didn't realise it would be nigh on impossible to kill a 8 intrique (including advisors if any) duke

Please revive my sons and I'll continue the game with drake being flandern and whatever else.

 

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My wife can't do kids anymore, I have no male heirs either. My family will die out.

Won't it do with a country cousin?

And I won't assasinate dukes anymore

I just simply didn't realise it would be nigh on impossible to kill a 8 intrique (including advisors if any) duke

Please revive my sons and I'll continue the game with drake being flandern and whatever else.

Enough with the sad faces already. But I agree Dukes should be more killable!

 

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Well, editing your kids has nothing to do with Drake.

But I guess we can edit one kid back, if it's fine with the rest?

 

[Rezag]

Well, editing your kids has nothing to do with Drake.

But I guess we can edit one kid back, if it's fine with the rest?

Iam ok with this and Drake in Flanders as he is now.

My biggest problem was lag being sometimes over year behind I hope it gets smaller or it wont be mutch to do for me any attempt to marry oldest daughters was nightmare .

But finally the long revolt of Surrey is over and future looks again more bright .

 

[RedPhoenix]

Aldo I won't get a country cousin I think duke of swabia inherits me or something if I don't have a male heir. I could marry off my daughters to someone ofcousre and have them inherit me

This is also where we need to make some sort of a decision, is it ok to switch around your laws to get your self to be a country cousin instead of dying out? I don't know what laws even make this happen though so please elaborate

Or then we just treat country cousin and line dying out the same, whichever decision that will be how to deal with it. But I think it should be equal in both cases whatever the decision is. Or then if someone's line dies out they just get edited a country cousin in?

About editing back one of my sons, All my sons were killed between ages of 1-3 years of age or so, so it is possible if only one son is edited back he'll die of infant diseases and problems anyway. So I'd hope all of them could be returned so atleast one might survive

 

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So I'd hope all of them could be returned so atleast one might survive

Nah. I will mass murder them one by one! Gaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

 

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Salic Primogeniture will give you a country cousin as it doesn't track inheritance through females.

Often in MP the inheritance laws player may use are limited to semi-salic ones by a house rule, but this time I thought to not hamper players futher with that as they already start as counts.

Imo Country Cousin should be available option as they suck balls so much that nobody really should be wanting them if anything else is available.

We could edit the oldest back to life, Infant Death happens only to kids below 2 years in age.

 

[RedPhoenix]

Salic Primogeniture will give you a country cousin as it doesn't track inheritance through females.

Often in MP the inheritance laws player may use are limited to semi-salic ones by a house rule, but this time I thought to not hamper players futher with that as they already start as counts.

Imo Country Cousin should be available option as they suck balls so much that nobody really should be wanting them if anything else is available.

We could edit the oldest back to life, Infant Death happens only to kids below 2 years in age.

I don't remember if any were above 2, they kept getting killed by assasins as they were born, lol. Will have to check the save. or I guess if it stores the date of birth it should work as they would be much more than 2 years by now.

 

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I don't remember if any were above 2, they kept getting killed by assasins as they were born, lol. Will have to check the save. or I guess if it stores the date of birth it should work as they would be much more than 2 years by now.

Yep, it stores birth dates and the thing I planned to do was to remove a deathdate from the eldest one of the kids, so he would live again.

 

[RedPhoenix]

Yep, it stores birth dates and the thing I planned to do was to remove a deathdate from the eldest one of the kids, so he would live again.

Only problem is if they son is too old allready, what will happen to education? Well it isn't many yearas so prolly not a problem. But should look that the son isn't too old.

 

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Only problem is if they son is too old allready, what will happen to education? Well it isn't many yearas so prolly not a problem. But should look that the son isn't too old.

Well, that should not be a problem unless the son would be over 15 years old.

 

[Rezag]

Just one question now that I had more time to read this thread is there infinite number of country cousins if there is then there must be rule how many of them means end of line. As otherwise those with this inheritance law newer has to fear losing their line?

 

[Swuul]

Just one question now that I had more time to read this thread is there infinite number of country cousins if there is then there must be rule how many of them means end of line. As otherwise those with this inheritance law newer has to fear losing their line?

Yes, infinite number. That is why I would prefer to see a homerule of forced semisalic inheritance in MP's.

 

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Just one question now that I had more time to read this thread is there infinite number of country cousins if there is then there must be rule how many of them means end of line. As otherwise those with this inheritance law newer has to fear losing their line?

Well, country cousins just suck, if that was not apparent before. So imo people should not have limited number of them.

But if this seems desirable, we could have house rule forbidding Salic Primogeniture, though that would not entirely cure the random country cousin syndrome, because if you never marry your daughters to anyone else, you won't ever have anyone of some other dynasty as a successor. And Drake's current non-related country cousin won't have any successors before he gets some kids.

Now, here's an example of how sucky country cousins are:

1) Duke Superman, 15/15/15/15, dies without heir and gets country cousin
2) Duke Country Cousin 1, 8/8/8/8, dies without heir and gets country cousin
3) Duke Country Cousin 2, 4/4/4/4, does the above thing
4) Duke Country Cousin 3, 2/2/2/2

In just three country cousins, even Superman becomes the Imbecill Moron, so imo they are not anything I would take if there is any other alternative...

 

[Rezag]

Now, here's an example of how sucky country cousins are:

1) Duke Superman, 15/15/15/15, dies without heir and gets country cousin
2) Duke Country Cousin 1, 8/8/8/8, dies without heir and gets country cousin
3) Duke Country Cousin 2, 4/4/4/4, does the above thing
4) Duke Country Cousin 3, 2/2/2/2

In just three country cousins, even Superman becomes the Imbecill Moron, so imo they are not anything I would take if there is any other alternative...

Well the point is when ever your close to see your dynasty die hey we have country cousins in infinite numbers that can prevent it they maybe suck but they are sure way to never ever never ever did I say ever end. So wellcome to immortal dynasty. And if that is allowed well no dynasty of our game will never die or ever even fear to die.

Edit: And how likely its forexample duke to get three country counsins who dont get new better heir .