Can we create new titles, like Tzar of the Russe or King of the Netherlands, and I guess we would get the claims assocaited with the titles.
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I hope so but I would guess that either, that it is impossible or it costs you hefty money.
I'd like to claim the title of "Emperor of the Universe"! That must be a chick magnet. More seriously, I think this could be a good thing 'coz claiming pompous titles was a common thing. Not to mention all the official genealogy of the Kings: e.g. the king of France claimed to be the heir of Achille of Troye.
Master of The Universe. Living in Castle Greyskull..
Ahem.. anyway im not too sure this is such a good idea, being a portal to conquer the world scheemes.
Originally posted by The camel
Master of The Universe. Living in Castle Greyskull..
Ahem.. anyway im not too sure this is such a good idea, being a portal to conquer the world scheemes.
No I mean titles that could be real, and to make it hard for conquer the world squemes, the new lands would be hard to control, and they would retain there independent state status for some time, kinda like Kiew controling the other Russian states.
Example if the duke of Burgandy, manges to gain control of the dutch states, for a huge cost, to the pope or religious leader ( reconize the new leader, title etc. and you must have lots of prestige, and peity? The the Duke could claim the title King of the Netherlands, giving him a coa to add to his coa, several new but rebellous vassels, and several new claims. Also this good work to take titles that have expired, like King of Lotharia
Why not? That would be a huge fun. to play with title, giving them away and make ones up. Like, Emperor of Europe or Count von Forchentberg. And on so, and make your vassel happy with getting the grand title.
Think "Emperor" in general, and you have it. The title is universal, and you take precidence over all other monarchs. He technicaly rules the world.
But I think the main limiter for any feature we could possibly think of is the AI. How would you get the Emperor, Papacy, etc. to agree to give you the title? Give them money or concessions of some sort usualy, right? What is the value of a title? The player may be able to pull back and go "Ok, that's reasonable," but will the AI know whether the title is worth "buying"? (Probably not.
)There's also the matter of what the title actualy does, in game. I would suppose a lower revolt risk, as your right to rule is "rightful", but would you also get a CB on a certain area? If so, what is to prevent players from taking advantage of this at every turn?
It's not what we can do, but what the AI can do and what we shouldn't do.
That's a tough question - historically there weren't very many new "Kingdoms" formed. It should be possible, but difficult.
Though prior to CK starting date, i think few Kingdoms in central Europe were made. Hungary or Poland, for example, IIRC.
The goal of recently christianized state was to become a kingdom.
Well I suppose one could be able to claim vacant titles but I doubt the system is flexible for that. Would be a cool feature but one at least I would tire of pretty quick and as such not very essential.
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The king of Lithuania also got a crown in this period IIRC. (or am I mixing things up with Poland?)
Then you have e.g. the King of Thessalonica...
You can create and abolish (unless beta-t'ing proves wrong) but it is very very very tough to do.
Can you proclaim yourself as an empire? (Like Serbia did in 1348 after conquering Macedonia, Thessaly, and Epirus )
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Heh, sort of both.
The Grand Duke of Lithuania gained his title during this period - there never were actual Kings of Lithuania. The Duke of Poland also re-gained the title of King in 1076; there had been kings of Poland between 1024 and 1031, but they lost their royal status somehow and reverted to mere Dukes. Perhaps some Pole could flesh out this story - I remember Martinus mentioning something to me about the crown being "lost"...
IIRC the duke of Burgundy was a vassal of the French king. Could be a problem to break the oath and then be recognized as indipendent king by the other monarchs. Maybe if you had a good reason to break your oath with your king it could work (like for example a papal approuval to break away from a heretic king).
The Duke of Burgundy (at least those of the second creation - those are the famous Valois ones I assume you are talking about) were vassals of both France and the Holy Roman Empire, which made their situation particularly tricky. Of course, it allowed them to play one side off the other if they could get away with it, and they were astute enough to do so most of the time. Had Charles the Bold not gotten himself into so much trouble, he could have soon received the title of King of Burgundy from the Holy Roman Emperor...
The King of England, was the Duke of Normandy, Aquaine, and several other french dutchies, making him the vassel of the french king. Several states tried to become independent kingdoms. Burgandy acted like a kingdom, I guess you will need paple approval and a paple crown, Declaring your overlord a heretic king by my brother, I mean my Holyness the pope.
Well if you are within HRE I think you need the approval of the Emperor not the pope. But big dif. Anybody knows if the pope actually was the one that accepted claims of kingship?