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So in my Portuguese game I've built up my colony in Goa, India to a city (6600 people thanks to integrated natives). I keep hoping that perhaps tomorrow it will become a trade center, but so far no luck. Any ideas as to why certain provinces become centers of trade while others don't?
 
Hail Doomcow,

AFAIK it's completly random. Although I have found that having a (larger , but not nessecary) colony in the area does help you in "winning the mystery of the CoT location game".
 
There's a historical modifier for every province in the world. Having a city there with some possessions around it, helps a fair bit. Then again there's evidently a random factor.
 
It's been extremely random since one of the earliest patches, but having a large population helps as does the historical modifier. Try building another colony in the area, as this will increase your chances of getting a COT. Otherwise, you can only wait.
 
I had a CoT surprise me by appearing in Chesapeake. I (as Venice) had the seaboard from just north of Florida to Penbscot, though I was surprised it appeared where it did, and not the more populous Manhattan. Perhaps the populations of Chesapeake and Manhattan were closer than I thought, though, as now Chesapeake has plenty more people, due to that wonderful bonus you get from a CoT.
 
Originally posted by markus_kt
I had a CoT surprise me by appearing in Chesapeake. I (as Venice) had the seaboard from just north of Florida to Penbscot, though I was surprised it appeared where it did, and not the more populous Manhattan. Perhaps the populations of Chesapeake and Manhattan were closer than I thought, though, as now Chesapeake has plenty more people, due to that wonderful bonus you get from a CoT.
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I've had a CoT appear in Indonesia in a Level 1 Colony. Had another CoT appear in Hawaii even when there was already another South Pacific CoT. Had a CoT appear in Chesapeake too - let see what other places - Table (S.Africa), Honduras, Indus, some unpronounceable place in Siberia. However, it really doesn't pay to send merchants to really small CoTs like Hawaii.
 
Originally posted by Xanadu
Hail Doomcow,

AFAIK it's completly random. Although I have found that having a (larger , but not nessecary) colony in the area does help you in "winning the mystery of the CoT location game".
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In my current game, Portugal had a lot of stuff going on in the Indonesia/Phillipines area, and I came in with a level one or two colony and got the CoT.

If you think colony when everyone else is thinking trading post, you have a good chance.

I don't know exactly how it works in India, but someone who colonizes in there gets one eventually I think.

bruce
 
I personally think trade embargoes have a lot to do
with when and where CoTs open. I'm playing as England
and roughly half the CoTs that have opened(that I've
noticed anyway) have been in places controlled by countries
under TE from somebody.

I had one open in Tierra del Fuego immediately after
TE from Spain. A level one colony with less than
1k garrison. I TE'd Spain back and a CoT immediately
opened in the Spanish Falklands. Two of the most
remote places on the map. Side by side CoTs!?

One also just opened in Hawaii. Level 2 colony.
 
Re: Well....

Originally posted by bmolsson


I had a 1000 ducats CoT in Hawaii in one game... It was very profitable :cool:
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MIne is only about 50 ducats - I wonder why they even bothered opening a CoT for 50 ducats. THe one in Honduras is over 1000, and the ones in Table, CHesapeake, Belle Isle, Indus, and Indonesia are reasonable. I've just conquered the entire INdian sub-continent so I have the CoT in Delhi now next to my one in Indus. NOw to move those troops in INdia west and conquer Persia, although it would probably be more lucrative to take those troops East to subdue CHina and Japan. I'm also considering taking Meccah from my provinces in Aden. Personally I think that should trigger a Jihad against me - EVERY Muslim nation should declare war on me. That might be kind of fun.
 
New CoT's

Just wondering what other CoT's people have seen pop up. The only providence that I was successful in turning into a CoT is Yanam(on the east coast of India), a very profitable one at that, 1500ducats. I've been trying to get Recife to turn into one. 850 pop city surrounded by level 6 TP's, that go out to Para and down to Itaimas.

I know someone said something about each providence having a 'historical CoT modifier', and this one has 0 for that, while Yanam=1, Mahattan=2, Table=2, etc. Which are found in the providence.csv file.

Anyone know if changing these values will affect the chances of getting a CoT to pop up in them?

FWIW, I changed Recife's value to 3, 2 years down the road and nothing yet. So who knows.
 
I'm at 1710. Here's my list, of which all have appeared
and I didn't have to conquer them.

Anglia-I think it always appears.
Lobito
Tierra del Fuego???
Raonoke
Mekong-richest one by far
Hawaii
 
In my English campaign I had built up the Tobacco provinces in America (Powhatan, Chesapeake, Delaware, and Roanoke). All were colony towns or small cities, but I had a CoT expand in Seminole which was a simple trading post of 10 people for the NA continent. So I believe in the Random theory from my experiences.
 
New CoTs

In my GC as England, they were in order (up to 1610):

Anglia
Bourbon (Indian Ocean)
Seminole

This of course doesn't count the ones that appeared due to historical or other reasons (Holland, etc.). I did just see one popup in Borneo, though I can't see why. It's not mine (yet).
 
As Portugal, I can get a CoT to appear in:

Singapore,
Yanam,
Sumatra

Almost every time. I disagree with it being random in terms of "where" the CoT appears. I think certain locations most definitely get CoTs as I keep getting them in the same spot.

Now, as for "when" the CoT appears, that part does appear to be random...with, of course, the requirement that you have to have a colony there.

In terms of the size or amount of colonies, it doesn't matter. I've had CoT's develop with level 1 colonies and colonies with 10k population. I've had CoT's develop when I only colonized one country in Indonesia or all of them.

Now for the fun part...Russia.

When you get to colonize Siberia, with the mixture of colonies and trade posts, a CoT over there brings in enormous revenue.

I ALWAYS colonize the province "Nathguda" or something like that. It is the Southern most province that is along the ocean and it borders China.

As Russia, I had a CoT there that generated 3000 Ducats!!

It consumed most of my Siberia provinces and almost all of the Chinese provinces. It was phenomenal...and I had a full monopoly and no other countries even knew about it. All of this by the year 1580.
 
Very nice indeed

I've been trying to figure out what nation I want to play next after I am through with Portugal. I think you may have just answered it.

Hmm, I wonder if in my Portugal game (year 1565) if its too late to colonize over there. Wouldnt mind getting a 1k + CoT to add to my existing Yanam 1500 CoT.
 
As Portugal, you can definitely take the Russian Siberian provinces before Russia does. It is a fun thing to do.

It makes life a little harder, though, just because you have to go from East to West.

As Russia, you have the advantage of building up colonies/trade posts from both sides (Once you send an explorer over to discover China, you can immediately start sending settlers on the east coast even if the middle part hasn't been fully colonized)

Also, as Portugal, I noticed my success chances are lower...I think the game gives you better chances on some provinces based on the country you are playing...I'm not sure.
 
Originally posted by schmoo
I think the game gives you better chances on some provinces based on the country you are playing...I'm not sure.
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Yes, that's another built in "tweak" to the game. Russia has a higher chance of colonizing Siberia, Portugal in the Indies, England and France in North America, etc. The chances are mainly based on where they historically colonized, but they definitely do not preclude you from colonizization attempts anywhere you can reach. I have had a Russian colony in Manhatten, Danish colony in Singapore, and a Scots colony in India - it's just easier for the "historically correct" state.
 
CoT's in Asia, Africa, Brazil

Alright. It's 1604. All of India minus Mughal Empire is mine, I have a 1900 CoT in Yanam. I have a thriving colony in Mekong with trade posts all around it. Also have trading posts in every African providence minus North Africa, with a 800+ pop colony in Table. I have level 6 trading posts all over Brazil with a 1000+ pop colony in Recife.

By question is this: Why havent I seen any CoT's pop anywhere else? I know it is random, but I would of figured I should of seen one pop up in either Table, Recife, or Mekong by now. All the conditions are right for it.

Is it because I already have had a CoT pop up in Yanam? But that would only affect Mekong chances?

What about Table? I read lots of posts of people getting CoT's there.

Just curious if any has any idea.

Thanks in advance.
 
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