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I have a few questions about Aberration:

1)Is Croatia playeble from the start in it?

2)Does Croatia have historical events?

3)Does Croatia have its historical rulers(monarchs)?

4)Do the Croatian random leaders have Croatian names?

5)If the answer to the first four questions is yes,what else is different for Croatia in Aberration from the Vanilla version?
 
tombom said:
1) Yes
2) No
3) No
4) No
5) Not a lot :p
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1)Thanks for answering my questions tombom.

2)I won't download Aberration.
 
tombom said:
How could I guess that? Do you only play scenarios with Croatia in them?
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1) :confused:

2)I play only the 1419 scenario,so the answer to your question is yes. :D
 
Hive said:
Heh. Why don't you just create your own "Vastly Overpowered and Ahistorically Strong and Big Croatia" mod? :D
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I will create a historical Croatia mod. :cool:
 
Hive said:
Somehow, I get the impression that such a mod won't be more historical than Aberration... :rofl:
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It will be a more historical mod than Aberration. :cool:
 
not that difficult really, just add the bans as monarchs, go through your history book(2nd grade highschool, right) and add the famous commanders as generals(anyone who seriously kicked ottoman ass, and there are plenty). plus set croatian CB on istria, krain, croatia, bosnia, dalmatia and ragusa and you're ready to go.

personally i'd like more alternate events for both hungary and croatia in 1526., not just the lame habsburg zapolya alternatives. both separate ways or a fictional federal republic ruled by two women consuls dressed in black and white latex suits with whips and high heels...
 
Hive said:
Somehow, I get the impression that such a mod won't be more historical than Aberration... :rofl:
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:rofl:

Agreed. :D

KoC, why don't you help us in this Aberration mod ? Find monarchs, some leaders, events. This doesn't have to be historical, since we're not following history.

Hey, the mere existence of Croatia is in itself ahistorical, as it was under a regime of close personal union with Hungary. :p
 
lawkeeper said:
:rofl:

Agreed. :D

KoC, why don't you help us in this Aberration mod ? Find monarchs, some leaders, events. This doesn't have to be historical, since we're not following history.

Hey, the mere existence of Croatia is in itself ahistorical, as it was under a regime of close personal union with Hungary. :p
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1) :mad:

2)Here are the monarchs:

Knezovi Posavske Hrvatske
796. - oko 810. Vojnomir
oko 810. - 823. Ljudevit
829. - 838. Ratimir
oko 880. -oko 897. Braslav

Knezovi Primorske (Dalmatinske) Hrvatske
II. pol. VII. st. Porga
II. pol. VIII. st. Viseslav
oko 810. - 821. Borna
821. - oko 835. Vladislav
oko 835. - oko 845. Mislav
845. - 864. Trpimir
oko 864. - 876. Domagoj
876. - 878. Domagojevi sinovi nepoznatog imena(Domagoj's sons whos names are unknown)
878. - 879. Zdeslav
879. - oko 892. Branimir
oko 892. - oko 900. Muncimir (Mutimir)
oko 900. - oko 910. Petar
oko 910. - 924. (925.) Tomislav

Kraljevi hrvatske narodne dinastije
Trpimirovici 925.-1102.
924. (925.) - oko 928. Tomislav
oko 928. - oko 935. Trpimir II.
oko 935. - 945. Kresimir I.
945. - 949. Miroslav
949. - 969. Mihajlo Kresimir II. st.
969. - 997. Stjepan Drzislav
997. - 1000. Svetoslav - Suronja
1000. - oko 1035. Kresimir III.
1000. - oko 1020. Gojslav
oko 1035. - 1058. Stjepan I.
1058. - 1074. Petar Kresimir IV.
1074. - 1089. Dmitar Zvonimir
1089. - 1091. Stjepan II.
1093. - 1097. Petar (u Slavoniji kralj Almos Arpadovic 1091. do 1095.)

Ugarsko - hrvatska dinastija Arpadovica 1102.-1301.
(Buduci su u Ugarskoj prije 1102. imali po jednog kralja Stjepana, Belu, Ladislava i Andriju, hrvatski poredak vladara je za broj manji, npr. poznati Bela IV. za Hrvate je Bela III.)
1102. - 1116. Koloman
1116. - 1131. Stjepan II. (III.)
1131. - 1141. Bela I. (II.)
1141. - 1162. Gejza I. (II.)
1162. Stjepan III. (IV.)
1162. - 1163. Ladislav I. (II.)
1163. Stjepan IV. (V.)
1163. - 1172. Stjepan III. (IV.)
1172. - 1196. Bela II. (III.)
1196. - 1204. Emerik
1204. - 1205. Ladislav II. (III.)
1205. - 1235. Andrija I. (II.)
1235. - 1270. Bela III. (IV.)
1270. - 1272. Stjepan V. (VI.)
1272. - 1290. Ladislav III. (IV.)
1290. - 1301. Andrija II. (III.)

Ugarsko - hrvatska dinastija Anjou - Anzu 1301.-1409.
1301. - 1342. Karlo I.
1342. - 1382. Ludovik I.
1382. - 1385. Marija
1385. - 1386. Karlo II. Dracki
1386. - 1395. Marija
1386. - 1409. Ladislav Napuljski (nuzkralj)

Ugarsko - hrvatski kraljevi raznih dinastija Luksemburgovci - Habsburgovci - Korvini - Jagelovici
1387. - 1437. Zigmund Luksemburgovac
1438. - 1439. Albert Habsburgovac
1440. - 1444. Vladislav I. Jagelovic
1444. - 1457. Ladislav IV. (V.) Habsburgovac
1458. - 1490. Matijas I. Korvin-Hunyadi
1490. - 1516. Vladislav II. Jagelovic
1516. - 1526. Ludovik II. Jagelovic

Hrvatski kraljevi iz dinastije Habsburg 1527.-1740.
(Pojedini vladari iz ove dinastije su do 1804. obnasali i cast njemackih a otad austrijskih careva, pa je npr. Franjo Josip bio za Istrane, Dalmatince i Krajisnike car, a za Hrvate i Slavonce kralj, njem. Kaiser und König - K. u K.)
1527. - 1564. Ferdinand I.
(nuzkralj Ivan Zapolja 1527. - 1540.)
1564. - 1576. Maksimilijan II.
1576. - 1608. Rudolf II.
1608. - 1619. Matija II.
1619. - 1637. Ferdinand II.
1637. - 1657. Ferdinand III.
1657. - 1705. Leopold I.
1705. - 1711. Josip I.
1711. - 1740. Karlo VI.

Hrvatsko - ugarski kraljevi iz dinastije Habsburg - Lotarinske
1740.-1918.
1740. - 1780. Marija Terezija
1780. - 1790. Josip II.
1790. - 1792. Leopold II.
1792. - 1835. Franjo I.
1835. - 1848. Ferdinand V.
1848. - 1916. Franjo Josip I.
1916. - 1918. Karlo IV.

Neizabrani vladari Bonapartovici
1809.-1813. Napoleon Bonaparte, car je u Ilirskim pokrajinama i prekosavskoj Vojnoj krajini

Nametnuti vladari
Karadjordjevici 1918.-1941.
1918. - 1921. Petar I.
1921. - 1934. Aleksandar I.
1934. - 1941. Petar II, namjesnik Pavle Karadjordjevic i Namjesnistvo

Here are the Ban's:


Hrvatski banovi
Samo Hrvatsko - dalmatinsko - slavonski od 1345. do 1921.
1345. - 1346. Nikola Banffy od Lendave
1346. - 1349. Nikola Szechy
1350. Pavao Ugal
1351. - 1352. Stjepan Lackovic
1353. - 1356. Nikola Banffy Lendavski
1386. - 1391. Ivan od Palizne
1392. - 1393. Ivan knez Krcki
1397. - 1402. Nikola Gorjanski
1402. - 1404. Ladislav Grdevacki
1404. Pavao Bessenyo
1404. - 1406. Pavao Peez
1406. - 1408. Herman knez Celjski
1464. - 1465. Mirko Zapoljski
1466. - 1467. Ivan Tuz od Laka
1470. - 1472. Blaz Madjar Podmanicki
1472. - 1473. Damjan Horvat
1476. - 1477. Andrija Banffy Lendavski
1477. - 1481. Ladislav Egervarski
1493. Mirko Derencin
Ivan Bot od Bojne
1493. - 1495. Ladislav Kaniski
1495. - 1498. Herceg Ivan Korvin
1498. - 1499. Djuro Kaniski
1499. - 1504. Herceg Ivan Korvin
1505. Franjo Balassa od Gyarmata
1505. - 1507. Andrija Bot od Bojne
Marko Misljenovic
1508. - 1509. Ivan Ernust Cakovacki
Juraj Kaniski
1510. - 1511. Andrija Bot od Bojne
1512. - 1513. Mirko Perenyi
1513. - 1520. Petar Berislavic
1521. - 1524. Ivan Karlovic Krbavski
1524. - 1525. Ivan Tahi
1525. - 1531. Franjo Bacan
1530. - 1534. Simun Erdödy, biskup
1527. - 1531 Ivan Karlovic Krbavski
(1531. - 1533. Andrija Tuskanic, ban. namj.)
(1533. - 1535.Petar Keglevic Buzimski ban. namj.)
(1536. Nikola Gerendy ban. namj.)
1537. - 1539. Toma Nadasdy
1539. - 1542. Petar Keglevic Buzimski
1542. - 1556. Nikola grof Zrinski
1556. - 1567. Petar grof Erdödy
1567. - 1568. Juraj biskup Draskovic
1567. - 1572 Franjo knez Frankopan Slunjski
1574. - 1578. Gaspar Alapic Velikokalnicki
1578. - 1584. Krsto barun Ungnad
1584. - 1595. Toma grof Erdödy
1596. - 1607. Ivan barun Draskovic
1608. - 1615. Toma grof Erdödy
1615. - 1616. Benko Turoci Ludbreski
1616. - 1622. Nikola knez Frankopan
1622. - 1626. Juraj grof Zrinski
1627. - 1639. Sigmund grof Erdödy
1640. - 1646. Ivan grof Draskovic
1647. - 1664. Nikola grof Zrinski
1665. - 1670. Petar grof Zrinski
1670. - 1693. Nikola grof Erdödy
1693. - 1703. Adam grof Bacan
1704. - 1732. Ivan grof Palfy
1732. - 1733. Ivan grof Draskovic
1733. - 1741. Josip grof Eszterhazy
1742. - 1756. Karlo grof Bacan
1756. - 1783. Franjo grof Nadasdy
1783. - 1785. Franjo grof Eszterhazy
1785. - 1790. Franjo grof Balassa od Gyarmata
1790. - 1806. Ivan grof Erdödy
1806. - 1831. Ignjat grof Djulaj
1823. - 1840. Franjo barun Vlasic
1842. - 1845. Franjo grof Haller
(1840. - 1842., 1845. i 1848. Juraj Haulik de Varalya, ban. namj.)
1848. - 1859. Josip grof Jelacic Buzimski
1859. - 1860. Ivan grof Coronini-Kronberg
1860. - 1867. Josip barun Sokcevic
1867. - 1871. Levin barun Rauch, (ban. namj. onda ban)
1871. - 1872. Koloman pl. Bedekovic Komorski
(1872. - 1873. Antun Vakanovic, ban. namj.)
1873. - 1880. Ivan Mazuranic
1880. - 1883. Ladislav grof Pejacevic
(1883. Herman Ramberg, kr. komesar)
1883. - 1903. Dragutin grof Khuen-Hédrváry
1903. - 1907. Teodor grof Pejacevic
1907. - 1908. Aleksandar pl. Rakodczay
1908. - 1910. Pavao barun Rauch
1910. - 1912. dr. Nikola pl. Tomasic
1912. - 1913. dr. Slavko pl. Cuvaj, (komesar, onda ban)
1913. - 1917. Ivan barun Skerlec Lomnicki
1917. - 1919. Antun pl. Mihalovic
1919. dr. Ivan Palecek
1919. - 1920. dr. Tomislav Tomljenovic
1920. dr. Matko Laginja
1920. - 1921. dr. Tomislav Tomljenovic

Ban Banovine Hrvatske
1939.-1941.
Dr. Ivan Subasic, 1939.-1941.

3)Croatia was a kingdom and it did exist. :cool:
 
Brownbeard said:
not that difficult really, just add the bans as monarchs, go through your history book(2nd grade highschool, right) and add the famous commanders as generals(anyone who seriously kicked ottoman ass, and there are plenty). plus set croatian CB on istria, krain, croatia, bosnia, dalmatia and ragusa and you're ready to go.

personally i'd like more alternate events for both hungary and croatia in 1526., not just the lame habsburg zapolya alternatives. both separate ways or a fictional federal republic ruled by two women consuls dressed in black and white latex suits with whips and high heels...
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The monarchs will stay the same as they were historicaly,the Bans will become generals,I will add CB's on Istria,Bosnia,Ragusa,Stiermark and Banat and I will add many other things. :cool:
 
King of Croatia said:
The monarchs will stay the same as they were historicaly,the Bans will become generals,I will add CB's on Istria,Bosnia,Ragusa and Stiermark,just not sure should I add a CB on Banat for Croatia since Croatia spread all the way to Zemun in the east,which was a part of Vojvodina(Banat).And I will add many other things.
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steiermark? we never had any claim on anything within HRE. neither graz nor maribor. our border with HRE never changed.

as for banat, i really don't agree. the way i see it east srijem is part of croatia province. banat is modern day banat, backa and a chunk of romania.
 
Brownbeard said:
steiermark? we never had any claim on anything within HRE. neither graz nor maribor. our border with HRE never changed.

as for banat, i really don't agree. the way i see it east srijem is part of croatia province. banat is modern day banat, backa and a chunk of romania.
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The south part of Steiermark is a north Slovenia right?If it is since Slovenia was once a part of Croatia,Croatia should have a core on Steiermark.Banat is Vojvodina and since Croatia spread all the way to Zemun(which is a part of Vojvodina) in the east,Croatia should have a core on Banat.
 
King of Croatia said:
The south part of Steiermark is a north Slovenia right?If it is since Slovenia was once a part of Croatia,Croatia should have a core on Steiermark.Banat is Vojvodina and since Croatia spread all the way to Zemun(which is a part of Vojvodina) in the east,Croatia should have a core on Banat.
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when did we own slovenia? best territorial claim we have there is a small strip of land in prekomurje(and that part of prekomurje does not count as steiermark sinc it used to be in hungary), along the border with hungary which was transfered from croatia to slovenia in yugoslavian era, but that is a dozen square km.

again, vojvodina is fictional, and the original duchy/political concept did not include the region prior to 1945.

if you're grabbing at straws you could add CB on pest, since kingdom of slavonia spanned across drava all the way to the danube between 894 and 897 until the hungarians destroyed it and settled there. :sarcastic:
 
King of Croatia said:
3)Croatia was a kingdom and it did exist. :cool:

1387. - 1437. Zigmund Luksemburgovac
1438. - 1439. Albert Habsburgovac
1440. - 1444. Vladislav I. Jagelovic
1444. - 1457. Ladislav IV. (V.) Habsburgovac
1458. - 1490. Matijas I. Korvin-Hunyadi
1490. - 1516. Vladislav II. Jagelovic
1516. - 1526. Ludovik II. Jagelovic
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Really weird that those monarchs are the monarchs of Hungary... ;)
And that later they're Habsburgs of Austria.

Croatia was as independent towards Hungary than Moravia & Silesia towards Bohemia. That is, nominally only.
Exactly like in Iberia-Spain starting with Carlos I : personal union, with different Cortes (Diet for Croatia-Hungary and others). ;)
 
lawkeeper said:
Really weird that those monarchs are the monarchs of Hungary... ;)
And that later they're Habsburgs of Austria.

Croatia was as independent towards Hungary than Moravia & Silesia towards Bohemia. That is, nominally only.
Exactly like in Iberia-Spain starting with Carlos I : personal union, with different Cortes (Diet for Croatia-Hungary and others). ;)
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Not really,since we had the same kings,but we were two kingdoms,same thing with the Habsburgs,all those kings had to be crowned kings of Croatia in order to rule it.
 
lawkeeper said:
Really weird that those monarchs are the monarchs of Hungary... ;)
And that later they're Habsburgs of Austria.

Croatia was as independent towards Hungary than Moravia & Silesia towards Bohemia. That is, nominally only.
Exactly like in Iberia-Spain starting with Carlos I : personal union, with different Cortes (Diet for Croatia-Hungary and others). ;)
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croatia and hungary were in personal union. it was very loose in the early days. most import part being that croatian nobles paid no taxes to the king. croatia had a separate parliament and the king was coronated separately. the titles hungary, croatia and dalmatia were on equal status. 'regnii sociae' or something like that can't remember well. the attempts to dispute this and more aggressive hungarian stance started after napoleonic wars... atempt to assimilate towards a greater hungary...

anyway, same logic could be applied that in a way hungary was under croatia, since anjou(bloody freedom people*JOKE*) were installed primarily because of the croatian nobles, and zapolya are originaly an ancient croatian lineage.

also, habsburg were elected kings of croatia in a separate parliament at cetingrad

for those with limited visualisation capabilities it was kinda like the union of poland and lithuania in the early days
 
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