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Yes it is.ryoken69 said:
I didn't call your (one of them...) scenario unbalanced without testing it. You simply refused to believe my comments and tests, and that scenario proved to be a piece of crap. You had a good start, made good edits, but then you suffered from something, and then further on you did see it go to heck and you abandoned it without commenting it with one word.
The point is, I tested it, I told you not all the choices you made are good, you ignored my comments and my tests totally. I did not talk crap about your scenario (or one of them as I don't know how many threads you've started since then, I must admit I haven't taken to any thread you Ryo started after you chose to ignore the one who was the only one who was really interested in your work). You Ryo, on the other hand, are talking crap, and the only reason you seem to do it is because I happen to be of different opinion.
Pretty lame. In my perhaps not so humble opinion.
Luckily people seem to be smarter than to believe comments made by somebody who doesn't know a crap of what he is talking about. There are lots of people playing CK MP already, even though it is not even released in the main markets yet
There were some major drawbacks to my scenario; you didnt find any of them.
The main problem: The reduction of explorers and conquistadors failed to take into account the problems of random explorers; thus a lucky country could get several random explorers and break the model. Additionally, certain countries like England get historical events that give them random explorers and I didnt take that into consideration either. These problems have been solved in my new scenario and my solutions (larger more comprehensive editing of leaders and monarchs alongside new event files) appear to work. Of course, the scenario is unfinished and will need testing. In a way, this new scenario is merely a larger version of the ideas laid out in the scenario you did test.
No testing revealed an overpowered Portugal ruining games. That was your delusional fantasy. I was not alone in my position that you were delusional about it either. And in several tests (including in SfS) a lot was learned.
You have a truly delusional and egotistical mind, Jarkko. You are the only one who cared about my work? You must be kidding. That scenario was used in several MP games and my other major scenario: Age of Randomization; has been used in nearly a dozen now. I have recieved enormous feedback and support from various members of the community. Sometimes I agree with their points, sometimes not. But a handful of crackpots like you get all steamed when someone, who has spent a lot longer thinking about their work than you have, rebuffs your thoughts. Just because you tested something doesnt mean you are 100 percent right.
And "you havent played MP" is a stupid argument. It is like telling someone who has never been a soldier that they cant understand anything about the justice of warfare. I have never been on a Space Shuttle, that doesnt preclude me from debating the virtue of space exploration. Lack of experience is not a valid point of criticism against a logical position. Lots of experienced people have stupid viewpoints. Lots of inexperienced people have good viewpoints. Take a logic course, jeez.
And I am obviously an inexperienced moron; only having played this game MP for the past year.
The main problem: The reduction of explorers and conquistadors failed to take into account the problems of random explorers; thus a lucky country could get several random explorers and break the model. Additionally, certain countries like England get historical events that give them random explorers and I didnt take that into consideration either. These problems have been solved in my new scenario and my solutions (larger more comprehensive editing of leaders and monarchs alongside new event files) appear to work. Of course, the scenario is unfinished and will need testing. In a way, this new scenario is merely a larger version of the ideas laid out in the scenario you did test.
No testing revealed an overpowered Portugal ruining games. That was your delusional fantasy. I was not alone in my position that you were delusional about it either. And in several tests (including in SfS) a lot was learned.
You have a truly delusional and egotistical mind, Jarkko. You are the only one who cared about my work? You must be kidding. That scenario was used in several MP games and my other major scenario: Age of Randomization; has been used in nearly a dozen now. I have recieved enormous feedback and support from various members of the community. Sometimes I agree with their points, sometimes not. But a handful of crackpots like you get all steamed when someone, who has spent a lot longer thinking about their work than you have, rebuffs your thoughts. Just because you tested something doesnt mean you are 100 percent right.
And "you havent played MP" is a stupid argument. It is like telling someone who has never been a soldier that they cant understand anything about the justice of warfare. I have never been on a Space Shuttle, that doesnt preclude me from debating the virtue of space exploration. Lack of experience is not a valid point of criticism against a logical position. Lots of experienced people have stupid viewpoints. Lots of inexperienced people have good viewpoints. Take a logic course, jeez.
And I am obviously an inexperienced moron; only having played this game MP for the past year.
Ok, I admit I was under the impression that it was only used in SfS2, which failed. Doing a quick search I didn't find other games wich used that scenario, but I take your word for it. I am sure you are more than eager to represent the long list of games that used the scenario.ryoken69 said:
You've played EU2 MP, you have valid points (altough I do not agree with all of them). You haven't played CK MP, your points are not valid. I am sorry, but you simply don't know what you are talking about.
But like I said a few times alreay, let us end this crap, and get back to this matter next year 26th of July. If CK MP is then regarded as a dead thing, I admit you were correct. If not, I will sure ridicule your "foresight" and again compare that to views of Foch and Haig.
ryoken69 said:
Yes sounds like you both need to take some time out from this thread, and a year sounds about right.Jarkko Suvinen said:
Castellon said:Yes sounds like you both need to take some time out from this thread, and a year sounds about right.
Yes. I already look forward to the next meeting:
Jarkko & Ryoken in 'Bloodbrawl II - The Endgame'
ryoken69 said:And there is a huge swath of terra incognita in CK. It is called the rest of the world.
My meaning was rather that certain nations can see more than others in most scenarios, and something which does not exist in CK, for the better or worse.
Okay, Jarkko really is a fanatic Luckily he is a fanatic for good things
PS. CK is a great game, as is EU2. Both in SP and MP. End of discussion.
Luckily he is a fanatic for good things PS. CK is a great game, as is EU2. Both in SP and MP. End of discussion.
And now a year has passedCastellon said:Yes sounds like you both need to take some time out from this thread, and a year sounds about right.
Did CK die in a couple of months? No, but it came damn close as a beta-patch made MPing impossible for a good while. And as CK shines especially in MP, it was a bad blow.
Has CK taken the place of EU2 as the best Paradox MP? Personally I think so (to the degree I don't play EU2 MP anymore), but unfortunately others have not seen the light yet
What are the problems of CK compared to EU2 then (thinking of MP)?
- not as stable as EU2
- 1066 CK games last even longer than 1492 EU2 games
What are the strengths of CK compared to EU2 then (thinking of MP)?
- way more innovative event system
- games are not predictable (no Nappy-rush in the end...)
Needless to say, I wait for the next patch
You have been counting the days since this thread started, waiting for this moment, eh?
YesHive said:You have been counting the days since this thread started, waiting for this moment, eh?
I tried CK first time about 1 year ago. I played it one night and then the CD disappeared in my desk: The game seemed more than boring to me o . No real research system, no trade, no oeconomy, only rudimentary battle system. For me it looked like a non-brainer and i didnt get whats the fun of this game.
But when browsing the EU2 forum i discovered this thread and it made me change my mind and give CK a second chance. Especially following post made me think about CK again:
However, i will give it a try and see you in CK-mp forum.
o . No real research system, no trade, no oeconomy, only rudimentary battle system. For me it looked like a non-brainer and i didnt get whats the fun of this game.But when browsing the EU2 forum i discovered this thread and it made me change my mind and give CK a second chance. Especially following post made me think about CK again:
Somehow this quote convinces me that CK can be fun in mp and i should try it. I only tested it in sp and like i said before it was really boring. But maybe its worth to try in mp, maybe only in mp the "fun" evolves from some unknown ressource (maybe from the special athmosphere, teamplay or whatever).Jarkko Suvinen said:
However, i will give it a try and see you in CK-mp forum.
I don't play CK in single-play, because I find it boring. Ummm... actually I don't play SP games at all (the odd UFO session every now and then doesn't count, do they?) because I find SP games boring.Cicero said:
In CK MP there are so many factors happening, that it is (has been for me atleast) to play a "perfect" game. The other humans can be a boon or a doom to you, the events somehow really do feel justifiable (in EU2 getting hit three times a row of Wave of Obscurism makes me cry, but in CK being hit three times a row of a "Vassal goes independent" or your rulers "Depression deepens to madness" does feel justified somehow). And the CK MP games are IMO way more relaxed than EU2 MP's, perhaps because it is impossible to become a "hard-core" CKer who would know the events firing off in a few months or when a god-on-earth enters your service (like you do know in EU2 for the historical events/rulers/generals) and plan their strategies based on that.
But yes, I really suggest you to try CK MP. I don't think it is the dream-come-true for everybody, but it for sure is my choice
CK MP still uses the crap engine that CK SP uses, so I can't imagine it'd be a hell of a lot better.
Crap Engine? Hmmm... The AI is very good compared to EU2, event system is way superior. The AI is however not creative, but that's how it is in every game I've seen. With the AI running thousands of characters, SP soon became dull to me (the AI doesn't actually have any tricks up its sleeve, but then again that is how every AI I've seen so far is), but in MP there are humans who have more than enough of (dirty) tricksBocaj said:
I very heartily recommend you to try CK MP, the leap from CK SP to CK MP is way bigger than from EU2 SP to EU2 MP. CK is, IMO, intended for MP, and SP is there just so that you can learn the basics of the system
Jarkko Suvinen said:I very heartily recommend you to try CK MP, the leap from CK SP to CK MP is way bigger than from EU2 SP to EU2 MP. CK is, IMO, intended for MP, and SP is there just so that you can learn the basics of the system
I wish I could try it! I need a new computer before though.
balinus said:I wish I could try it! I need a new computer before though.
tell me about it.... I havent bought a new comp for many many years.
I finally did last month and what a relief! Now I can play any games I want..
Many many $ poorer but so much happier!
-zag- said:tell me about it.... I havent bought a new comp for many many years.
I finally did last month and what a relief! Now I can play any games I want..
Many many $ poorer but so much happier!
heheheheh I'm not surprised by your relief. But the sad news from this side of the ocean is that I don't even have a 100$ to spend.
Though, I might have the old computer from my dad (Athlon 1200 Mhz) which is better than my 750 Mhz.
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I symphatize with u..It should be a persons god given right to get the latest comp and attachments...