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Peter the Great did lead many of armies personally. While a young man he took a great interest in the science of artillery and the study of logistics. He led an assault on Azov

This is the biggest misconception about Peter I. The first Azov campaign (1694/95) was conducted by Lefort, Gordon and Golovin. True, Peter I was there, but his role was pretty much limited to being a yeah- or neigh-sayer (mostly yeah) to what the generals had proposed. His only direct military engagement was dubious and failed assault on Azov with 200(!) Cossacks. The whole assault idea was against Gordon's will, the assault was executed poorly, and the Russians had to lift the siege in October. In this light Peter's military accomplishments look even more dubious.

The second Azov campaign (1696/97) was done more professionally. Some fleet was brought in to blockade Azov, and not allow the Turks to bring in supplies and reinforcements. BTW, Lefort was the first nominal admiral of the Russian galleys, with his vice-admirals being a Venetian colonel Lima and French de l'Osiere. The only naval engagement of the campaign, though, was won by Cossacks.
The chief commander of the army was a little known (military) boyar Alexander Shein (1681-1700), with Lefort, Gordon and Golovin serving as his assistants. This campaign was a success. Azov was captured, but Peter's role was basically the same.

At Narva Peter wasn't a chief commander again. In fact, upon learning that a Russian reconaissance detachment commanded by Sheremetev got routed by an advancing army of Karl XII, Peter fled quite hurriedly to Novgorod and didn't take any part in the ensuing battle, which was cleanly won (mostly due internal problems of Russian army) by Karl XII.

So, should we add Peter to the leaders list? I can hardly justify that. Even though Peter I as well as a lot of other monarchs of his time spent quite some time in the army, he wasn't involved in a battle as, say Gustav II was, but rather his role was kind of similar to the role of Louis XIV who hadn't missed a single French campaign, being a chief commander in each and every one of them, but yet leaving to handle the rest to professionals.

True, Peter was quite fond of "engineering" and artillery, and ship-building; even his position in the Russian army was that of a bombardir, but then again he was only a captain.........

And why do we need to add a monarch to a leaders list if we already have quite capable generals?
 
Crook

Crook:

It's been a long time since I took Russian history in university, and certainly it was not in great depth. I will defer to your greater knowledge, if it is more accurate. I was taught a "conventional" history of Russia, which did have Peter as a central military commander. If this is not the case, then I stand corrected. (I have been itching to read some bios of Peter, now I have further incentive.) My impression is that he played a greater role in the Great Northern War campaigns (Liesna, for instance) than you suggest, but I'll defer to the experts unless I have solid evidence in front of me.

As for your point, "Why have monarchs when we have generals?", well, why have more generals at all? Most of the powers are now amply provided for, and any estimate of new generals' (likely obscure)abilities will be no more accurate than the inclusion of Peter as a field commander - the conventional interpretation. If the mission is to create an historically accurate and interesting, mod, then new leaders can come from any source - even if that means a king might die in battle. No one is saying that these monarch-leaders were leading charges into cannon fire a la Gustavus Adolphus, but some monarchs certainly played a role in arraying forces and drawing field battle plans - even to the day of battle. If such monarchs can be found omitted, they should be included.

Thanks again for the possible correction.

Regards.

Porcius
 
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To be handled with caution this time (sorry, had to check from another system). To be sure only use those which also appear in the last posting.

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